Re: [tied] Gmc. *bru:diz

Mayrhofer does not credit the *etymology* as such to Kiparsky, only the
ideas concerning how it illustrates the working of Grassmann's aspiration
killing constraint. I should have checke before ascribing it automatically
to the source I had it from.

Jens

On Fri, 18 Oct 2002, Piotr Gasiorowski wrote:

> Is it really Paul Kiparsky's? Pokorny makes the connection as well, as does the EIEC (no doubt after Pokorny). No exact derivation is offered by either for the Germanic 'brain' word, but *mrog(^)H- + *-ono- seems plausible (cf. *wog^H- + *-ono- > *wag(a)na- and other similar forms in Germanic (whatever this *-ono- actually is). Gk. brekHmós and brékHma (*mreg(^)H-mó-, *mrég(^)H-mn) have a deverbal look to them. Has anyone suggested an interpretation of this underlying *mreg(^)H-?
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> Piotr
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> On Fri, 18 Oct 2002, Miguel Carrasquer wrote:
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> [For IE *mr- > Germanic br-]
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> > Perhaps OE, OS bregdan "to plait", Du. breien "to knit" ~ Grk. brokhós
> > "Strick,
> > Schlinge, Masche", MIR. braige, braga "captive", OCS mre^z^a "Netz,
> > Schlinge"
> > (*mregh-) ?
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> It *is* beginning to look good. I have also wondered, in the light of the
> new idea on *bru:diz, if the connection made by P.Kiparsky between Eng.
> brain and Greek brekhm¢s 'front part of the head' (reported by Mayrhofer,
> Idg.Gr., Lautlehre p. 114) should be taken to represent IE *mr-, not
> *bhr-. That would sidestep the Grassmann problem addressed by Kiparsky and
> Mayrhofer.
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> I think we must congratulate João Simões Lopes Filho (whose name won't
> come out right on my new computer) on a very felicitous idea. Sometimes
> this list does produce real progress. Let's have some more, Joao!
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> Jens
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