Re: [tied] Re: south slavic

From: Piotr Gasiorowski
Message: 15528
Date: 2002-09-16

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From: alexmoeller@...
Sent: Monday, September 16, 2002 10:39 PM
Subject: Re: [tied] Re: south slavic

> I tought same way as I read it first. You dont have to think I mystypped here, but I give you a text from the book of Mr. Mun-Suh-Lee, " Zur Entstehung des Rumänischen", Schäuble Verlag, 1986

> "Zu beginn der zweiten Hälfte des 7. Jhs. gab es eine Auseinandersetzung zwischen den Slaven und den Gepiden. Die slaven wurden bei den Kämpfen durch den wohl von den Awaren unterstützten Gepiden vernichtend geschlagen und gezwungen aus Dakien auszuwandern."
The main wave of the migrating Slavs crossed the Danube in AD 551. Fifteen years later the Danubian Gepids were practically wiped out by the Avars and the Langobards. Your book apparently confuses the seventh century with the sixth. 

> [Moeller]  Hey, that is nice your word here. "Significant ethnos". That is indeed nice. That means that "somewhere" was a littel group of romanized population which rezisted to everything, even to slavs, and they got bigger and bigger and bigger for becaming the largest folk of the balcan. That will be a wonderfully prescription for making much bred with few meal but will it work for a folk? That means this little group was so strong that it rumanized everything north of danube as they migrated there.But if they were so strong, why did not remained in moesia foar assimilating and rumanizating the future bulgars and serbo-croatian?:-)) The simple fact they have both old slavic and bulgarian should be a hint. Isnt it?

Why didn't the Romans stay in Rome? What got into the Slavs that they should have expanded beyond the Pripyat marshes? Why are there more speakers of English, Spanish and Portuguese in the New World than there have ever been in Britain, Spain and Portugal, respectively?
They Proto-Romanians were not particularly strong in their homeland; they were probably lucky to survive at all, like the Albanians. But they grew strong little by little as they found a new niche for themselves and out-competed other colonisers. Note that Romanian has only three loans from Slavic with unmetathesised -arC- or -alC- (as far as I'm aware), while there are numerous examples of such forms e.g. in the Slavic toponymy of Greece. It seems, therefore, that intensive Slavic-Romanian contacts developed relatively late, and that nearly all the Slavic loans in Romanian were absorbed after the eighth century -- just as the Vlachs went out into the historical arena.