Re: [tied] Re: Kastamonitu

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From: "Piotr Gasiorowski" <piotr.gasiorowski@...>
To: <cybalist@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 07, 2002 11:15 PM
Subject: Re: [tied] Re: Kastamonitu


> You're wrong, Alex. The prediction does not mention the
origin of the word. I don't say "The word Vlach can't be older
than the eighth century IF it is of Slavic/Germanic origin",
but simply "The word Vlach can't be older than the eighth
century", full stop. In other words, I give you a chance to
undermine the standard explanation by falsifying one of its
corollaries. The corollary states that the ethnonym Vlach
(Greek Blakh-) = (Proto-) Romanian cannot occur in sources
older than the eighth century. If it does, the orthodox view
will be proven unsatisfactory. Is that fair?
>
> Piotr
[Moeller] Piotr let me understand just only one thing. Why
does lingvists ignore the sources when they doesnt fit in
their model? It is not just this one here. I dont speak just
about the one with valhians. Forget them. Let us remember
about Cesar who wrote celtic from Galia is similar to latin.
He did it. You sayd, celtic from Galia it is not simmilar to
latin.OK .But explain please this phenomen. We have sources
who say a=b but they are rejected. This doesnt pass in my
job.I do not ask to put you in trouble , I ask just because my
work is logical one. I cannot make a programm works if I do
not work logicaly. OK, linguistic is not mathematik, that is
clear. And in my example whas if german_word=true you are
right, if not, you are not right. So I have had the both
possiblities there:-)))
But the only one thing which disturb us is the ancient source
who gives a name for a word considered slavic, where we have a
methathesis before the slavic methathesis took place(the
methathesis is considered to have been in the 8 centuries.
That is the only bad point in all:-)

>
> P.S. OHG walah is just a variant of <walh> with an intrusive
("epenthetic") vowel breaking up a "liquid + h" cluster. We
need no external influence to explain it, since it is found in
many similar OHG words: bereht/beraht 'bright' < *berxt-,
meriha 'mare' < *marx-jo:n-, felhan ~ felahan 'hide' <
*felx-an-, etc. Comparison with the other Germanic languages
confirms that <walh> is the primordial variant and <walah> is
secondary. OHG walh (later <walch>) _is_ sufficiently
attested, contrary to what you continue to repeat (despite
having been corrected).

[Moeller]upss.Then , sorry I was wrong here. Somehow I didnt
see the word was attested. We cann close the topic with the
mention the name from Kastamonitu was just a name which
appeared in dream of him and this is the reason why he wrotte
it down :-)))