From: alexmoeller@...
Message: 15204
Date: 2002-09-06
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From: "George S t a n a" <gs001ns@...>
To: <cybalist@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, September 06, 2002 12:37 PM
Subject: [tied] Re: Piotr and the Dacians :-)
>[Moeller] yeap. And the olah did not maghyarized.. Why?
Actually, highly numerous Romanians got magyarized. The
Romanian
nobility completely. Many Romanians were magyarized quite
recently, in the 19th century.
[Moeller] George, please do not put the nobles here. They have
had a big reason to became magyars. I speak about folk. And I
know that in hungarian folk today are just slavs, germans,
olahs and what I dont know what for folks. from the ancient
Magyars there you will do -nt find the genes of them in 10.000
people. So I dont speak about this protion . I speak about the
phenomen in its whole. The folk did not became magyarized.
That is the first conclusion everyone seen in the 17-18-19
centuries. That a part did, some went, some got reach, some
got sick, that are details for percentage which are not
relevant for the whole ansamble.
> > Roughly the modern territory of Macedonia, southern Serbia
>and western Bulgaria. That's what I'd put my money on. The
>Albanians also originated somewhere within this area.
>
>[Moeller] because of "Durmitor and the rest of toponimes more
>there and beacuse there should be found Albanians of course.
Papperlapapp! As a true Traco-Dacist worshipper, you should
point out that the relevant territory also comprised Moesia
Inferior
and Moesia Superior and perhaps Dardania (mentioning that
roughly in
Moesia Superior once Roman authorities established the
administrative
entities known as Dacia Mediterranea and Dacia Ripensis). So,
plenty
of vital space down to the so-called Jirecek Line, even for
the
Southern Romanians (aka Aromanians and Meglenites) who in
later
times "popped up" even in territories beyond the Jirecek Line.
(And
that mountain peak called Durmitor is far away, in a
north-western
part of the peninsula, in Yugoslavia.)
[Moeller] ? Yeap. Plenty . Untill VI-centuries. looooooool..
then there was no more plenty of space there. I am wrong?Ask
Piotr:-)
>I will sugest you to take a look at how old are the qwords
which
>are common in romanian and albanian. This will show you for
>yourself that we have here pre-roman times.
Your recommendation is superfluous: you've already been told
on
this list (as well) that the common Romanian-Albanian
vocabulary
is seen as remnants of an ancient idiom spoken in the area.
[Moeller] It is nice you use the singular form . That doesnt
sound ok to me.
For what reason? Those who contest the continuity of Romanians
in certain territories of former Dacia assert that Romanians
learnt those hydronyms and topoyms from others. So, this is
where you oughta put something on the display exclaiming
"Wach yer man!" The mere existence of them toponyms hasn't
been denied by anybody so far.
George
[Moeller]
Iif you do not fallow the thread I cannot help you. The map
was for Piotr to look at it with his own eyes for forms with
"apa" in thracian space..that first.
The toponyms are not denied. But the discution was about
kW>p(b) in thracian . Some things go too quick in the past,
even if recent past:-)