Writing & pronunciation

From: Georg S t a n a
Message: 15033
Date: 2002-09-03

>As for your spelling "sânt", you either spell "sunt" or
>"sînt". "Sânt" is has never been a correct spelling.
>[moeller]what means here correct? Correct is how the literary
>rules are made or how the people speak?

Re-read my wording above: I wrote "spelling". This means that
if you want to avoid "sunt", because it doen't reflect the
traditional pronunciation, then __write__ "sînt", for God's sake :-)

>[moeller] yeah! they are short forms and composed forms. But
>the people speak that way!

So what? What does this have to do with the substratal derivations?
The contracted variants are as Latin or non-Latin as the complete
forms of the Rum. verb "to be" (indicative, present).

>Please try to let the intelectual prisma from your eyes and try
>to see the things as a normal peasant.

You don't have to be a peasant in order to use this vernacular.
(And remember that "mi-s" actually does not belong to your
kind of regional Romanian, but it does belong to mine; so,
don't sell cucumbers to the gardener, as the Romanian saying
goes. ;-)

>You are in a contradiction here with the literary
>rules and the way the peasant speak. Which is then the corect

You mean _style_, as well as regional/dialectal features versus
standard (artificial :) language. Of course, the language consists
of all dialectal variants (in this case rather sub-dialectal, since
Romanian is one dialect, as compared with Aromanian, Megleno-
Romanian and Istro-Romanian). The standard language takes
variants of phrases from all regional types, and one regional
kind of Romanian plays a dominant role (mainly regarding phonetics,
since morphology and syntax is by and large the same).

But, again, this has nothing to do with the discussion on

>[Moeller] in the way he hear it from there where he lives. not
>from books. And you see, they speak different as in books:-)

The books only describe what's there, and try to systematically
explain grammar categories, i.e. to extract those... rules.
But those rules you once learned as a child while learning your
mother tongue, without knowing what/how those rules were,
i.e. wihout being able to explain them. You're able to do that
only after having learnt... grammar during your schooltime.
Or by reading... Cybalist. :)