Re: [tied] Re: just verifying a point

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From: "George S t a n a" <gs001ns@...>
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Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2002 7:56 PM
Subject: [tied] Re: just verifying a point


>
> >[Moeller] not George. Mr Vinereanu does not give any
sentences
> >in his book.Not a single one, not even two words. Nothing.
>
> I didn't imply the author had generated those sentences
> himself. What I was saying is that those words contained in
your
> sentences are seen by him as stemming from one substrate
> or another, but not from Latin or Slavic. You posted those
> sentences to emphasize the importance of those words
> for everyday's Romanian vernacular and standard language,
> as well as to cast further doubts upon the classification as
a
> Romance language - didn't you? :)

[Moeller] Yes. I did it. And you got me a ideea now. I will
ask Mr. Vinereanu what he means about. Now I am indeed curious
about his opinion.
>
> For, you take these words, according to this author's list,
but
> you keep mum on the fact that the lists with this category
> of vocabulary in Romanian "mainstream" linguistics books
> have always been far more restricted (i.e. do not include
many
> of the lexical items quoted in your postings). And these
have
> been put together this way for sound linguistic reasons.
> (A few of the reasons were reiterated by some of the
subscribers
> to this mailing-list these days.)
>
[Moeller] there is no list George in the book of Mr.
Vinereanu. I even complained the book has no index,keywords to
look for. And me, I repeat I did it. Everyone who has a DEX
cann do it.And I did it beacuse, reading Rosetti I wondered
why he get just some of them and not all. Why all lingvist
resume just to some words and there is no book which relate
about them? Why is no study about the substratum and PIE ?
Only Russu tried something. And I guess he got panic as he
seen what happens. And that was all about .. grrrr... The
linguists avoided this topic. And I dont want to think why. It
should have maybe nothing with the scientific resons to do,
but much more with other resons.


> >The sentences are made by my ill brain. I was looking in
the
> >romanian DEX and I was surprised to see how alive these
words
> >are and that indeed you cann make sentences with.
>
> Actually, you don't need to look such words up, since you're
a
> Romanian native speaker. So, you're supposed to know how
> often such words are used and *how* (I mean style nuances).

8Moeller] sure. and I have a "feeling" for them I dont need to
look for them with the lighter to make some connection. I know
them, they are in me, they are living there and in the brain
there are made strange connections. When I am not sure , I
just consulte the DEx. This is indeed the big advantage to be
a native speaker and to know what you speak about. Not just
from studying an aspect of a language.

>
> >This is what made me to look around for explanations. And
here
> >begun all.
>
> Not quite so: you started paying attention to this category
only
> when you got aware of the fact that these words have either
> unknown origins, or uncertain or even controverted
etymologies.
> Next step: you've been attracted by assertions/theses saying
that
> a certain part of the Romanian vocabulary hadn't Latin
origin at all,
> but were "autochtonous", substratal (i.e. Dacian or Thracian
& the like).
>
> George

[Moeller] quaiet so? Do we allways know what tells us to think
in a certain way? There were many arguments here and they
wwork in subconscious. Not only lingusitcs. They,
thelinguistics arguments were to last . The first were the
histrocial things who doesnt match. And one induced an
another, and so you discover you are living in a constructed
histroy, in a constructed world. So, you have your right to
search for.
But it doenst matter how I found out, it matter to get
themnow. To find the explanation and to be critical with the
evolutions models.
We are people of XXI century, we doubt about God himself. And
I dont must doubt about some hypothesis?Never ever. I will
doubt untill my "ich" is ok with the explanations I get.