Re: S(h)ibboleth

--- In cybalist@..., "richardwordingham" <richard.wordingham@...>
wrote:

> --- In cybalist@..., guto rhys <gutorhys@...> wrote:
> >
> > Yes, yes of course - I sould have remembered the story,

espesially

> as Wels until recently didn't have 'sh' ('ts'or 'z' ) . Many

people

> where I come from pronounce Englis 'zoo' as 'soo' - so if you want

to

> identify undercover Wels speakers in your midst you need only ask
> where one has to go to see a simpansi or a sebra.
>

Which in Denmark is pronounced sjimpanse (sy-) and sebra (no z or sh
here either). And at the time Middle Welsh drops unstressed vowels so
does Germanic (says Karl Horst Schmidt in an article I found) and
Welsh and English and Danish lenites the stops together (Eng. law, Da
lov, Sw lag). So I'm confirmed in my suspicion of some Celtic-like
substrate in West Jutland.

Torsten