Re: Wodan

From: tgpedersen
Message: 14309
Date: 2002-08-13

--- In cybalist@..., "matt6219" <matt62@...> wrote:
> --- In cybalist@..., Piotr Gasiorowski <piotr.gasiorowski@...>
> wrote:
> > > From a purely linguistic point of view, to what extent would
> development Varuna > Wodan be reasonable ? I am a complete amateur,
> but i have read somewhere the statement that d/t/r are often
> interchanged.
> >
> >
> > They are, but the preferred direction of change is d > r rather
> than r > d intervocalically. Then, relatively frequent as this kind
> of alternation may be cross-linguistically, it can't be proposed ad
> hoc without a good reason, since we are talking of concrete
> languages, not of the general statistics of sound-change. I don't
> know of a single case of Sanskrit -r- corresponding to Germanic *-d-

> ([ð]). Then, what about the vowels that do not match at all (/a/
> vs. /o:/, and /u/ vs. /a/)? In <varun.a-> versus *wo:dana- the only
> potentially matching elements are the initial *w and the final *-n
> (o)- -- hardly impressive, since *-no- is an extremely common
> in PIE. To sum up, from a purely linguistic point of view there is
> no ground whatsoever for proposing a connection between the two
> names.
> >
> > Piotr
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: matt6219
> > To: cybalist@...
> > Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 12:37 AM
> > Subject: [tied] Wodan
> Piotr, thanks for responding.
> I take note of the need for more concrete reasons - my reasons for
> looking at a link initially were not linguistic.
> Nevertheless, as we are already on the subject, could these have a
> common source, something like va:dun.a perhaps ? Are the changes
> a: -> o and u -> a unknown, allowing more than one step for each of
> these ?

To further complicate matters, according to Snorri, the name "Audun"
is derived from "Odin"

Perhaps "no ground whatsoever" should be "no particular reason".