Re: [tied] Thracian -Satem

From: alexmoeller@...
Message: 14004
Date: 2002-07-14

> Regarding the ethimology of thracian "diza" i should like to ask you if the IE radical *deiwa, the one which is assumed to have been the root of dacian "dava"
Assumed by whom? I think the majority view among those interested in Dacian is that toponymic <dava> is a derivative of *dHeh1- 'put, place'. I have myself attempted to connect it with *dah2- (as in Greek de:mo-), but I've never seen it derived from *deiwo- (if what you mean is the 'day/skygod' root -- but why should a word meaning 'town' be related to it?).
[moeller] why should be it the meaning "town"? It is generally assumed to be town by which considerations? we have there some derivations of that word "dava" supposed to be in several forms because of the dialectal character of the dacians tribes. So we have "dava, deva, daba, dama". Is this normal that in *dHeh1 the "h1" to generate for the same folk sufixes like "ama", "ava", "aba","ama"? Even the old name of the Odrissians capital "Odryssia" was first , before the greek camme, Uscudama , in my opinion once again a confirmation of Dio Cassius that the thracians was a branche of getae and not as common accepted , the thtracina is the big family which include the getae.
> could be too supposed to be the root of thracian "diza".
[Piotr wrote]
How would you explain <z> for *w, and what for? The root *dHeig^H-, meaning 'form, shape, build' has derivatives meaning 'wall' or 'rampart, fortification', including Old Persian diĆ°a: 'fortress' and Greek teikHos 'wall' (not to mention the word <paradise>, ultimately of Iranian origin, *pari-daiza- 'enclosed park'). Thracian -diza (~ -dizos) fits like a glove here.
[Moeller] you are right. But these "diza" is really thracian? I make a comparation on the Duridanov maps and i see that the thracians towns were in "para" and "bria". So in this case , which one is meaning "town"? para, bria or diza? I ask it because as we see on the maps the localities with the sufiex "diza" are very few and with the exception of "Kistidizos" all of them are located in the region of Bosphorus, meaning very south of the thracian . Do you have any explanation of these points?