Re: [tied] Anatolia in 7500BC

Glen

You wrote

> Surely no. As I told Steve, even though I'm confident that IE,
> Uralic and Altaic are related, a seperation of only 4000 years
> (if we are speaking of a movement occuring around 8000 BCE) is
> outright ridiculous and doesn't account for the differences that
> exist between the languages.

The movement out of Anatolia I am referring to occurred much earlier
than 8,000 years ago. It is dated to 13-10,000 BCE with the
moevement from Palestine to Belbasi(Cilicia) 10-8,500 BCE with the
movement from Beldibi to the Aegean and 9,800-5,794 BCE at Franchthi
Cave to Central and Eastern Europe.

This is *NOT* to be confused with the later shift of Neolithic
cultures mentioned by Renfrew and the other Out-of-Anatoliaists.

> As much as they are alike, there appear to be some big grammatical
> differences that need time to develop. The subjective-objective
> thing comes to mind for example, which is shared amongst the Boreal
> languages (Uralic, Yukaghir, EskimoAleut and Chukchi-Kamchatkan)
> which are themselves very different. The large diversity of Steppe
> languages is not being appreciated in this out-of-Anatolia scheme.

Glen, given that Yukaghir, EskimoAleut and Chuckchi-Kamchatkan are
all collected only in modern times, and that Eskimo-Aleut, on
cultural grounds only spread comparatively recently, how much time do
you propose for these languages to have split from the Boreal-Steppe
core?

Regards

John