Re: IRMIN

--- In cybalist@..., "tgpedersen" <tgpedersen@...> wrote:

> --- In cybalist@..., "Piotr Gasiorowski" <gpiotr@...> wrote:
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: tgpedersen
> > To: cybalist@...
> > Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2002 1:37 PM
> > Subject: [tied] Re: IRMIN
> >
> >
> > > And why should the Finns call their king <kuningas> and the

Slavs

> their god <Bog>?
> >
> > Here we have to do with historically verifiable contacts and
> numerous loans with a clear pattern of correspondences. There's no
> link like that between the Cherusci (or any other Germanic people)
> and the Armenians or some otherwise enigmatic non-Alanic Iranians
> introduced quite ad hoc to justify a single wild etymology.
> >
> > > Aha! So I with my penchant for "irregular" explanations should
> come up with another (but "irregular"?) explanation for "Arminius",
> since ordinary linguists can't or won't? But I'm afraid what I came
> up with is the best I can do.
> >
> > > Sometimes I get an idea which I post, and after that I might

get

> an idea that I think is better, which I also post. Point taken. I
> shall try in the future to stick to my first idea, whatever happens.
> >
> > No need, if you could just make up your mind about what you're
> arguing at the moment. It's difficult to discuss with several

vaguely

> sketched and mutually exclusive ideas posted at the same time. So

how

> do you etymologise Arminius right now?
> >
> > Piotr
>
> My _personal_ (as opposed to on-cybalist) opinion is that if Snorri
> was right, that there happened a mix of Asir and Vanir in the upper
> layers of the Asir tribe, then that name could derive either from
> Iranic speakers (ie <aryaman>) or from some language spoken by the
> Vanir, which _might_ be Armenian for the reasons I mentioned

earlier.

> Either way, _that_ putative tribe was it I was looking for in the
> immigration to Thuringia.
>
> But actually the question should be easy to settle, for the

following

> reason:
> As I mentioned several times before, Thuringia has a number of town
> names composed of a personal name + <-leben>; Denmark and Sweden

has

> a similar number of town names of personal names + <-lev> and
> <-löv>. That last morpheme stands for something (a piece of land)
> you 'leave' to someone for them to 'live' off. The personal names

in

> the town names in Thuringia have little overlap with the northern
> ones.
>
> Now, if these <-leben> places in Thuringia were given as possession
> to the first generation of Hermunduri invaders or colonists in
> Thuringia, those names should (might) reflect what language the
> Hermunduri spoke at the time of the invasion. So, Germanic or
> Iranian? Problem is, most of them seem to be rather short, so
> therefore probably hypochoristic (nick names).
>
> Torsten

On top of that, I found a name 'Alman' on a "German king list" among
much other odd (some very!) information on

http://www.fredparhad.com/wwwboard/messages/1369.html

Torsten