I'm afraid I won't "keep myself back".
Germanic *wi:na- (Goth. wein [wi:n], ON vín, OE wi:n, OHG wîn) can hardly be
anything else than a loan from Latin (<vi:num>), and there's nothing in
its form to suggest that it was borrowed in Dacia or from Daco-Latin. The
archaic phonological shape of several Latin culture loans (usually combined with
their pan-Germanic distribution) shows quite unambiguously that they
filtered into Germanic during the first two centuries AD. I have
mentioned *kaisar- before; other frequently quoted examples are Lat. lucerna
'lamp' > Goth. lukarn, Lat. asellus 'ass' > *asilaz (discussed on Cybalist
quite recently), Lat. caupo: 'shopkeeper, trader' > *kaup- (cf. ON kaupa,
Goth. kaupo:n, Ger. kaufen, OE ce:apian 'buy, bargain' [cf.
<cheap>]).
Of course the fact that the Romanian word
for 'wine' is <vin> is perfectly consistent with Romanian being a Romance
language. Rom. vin has nothing to do with Dacian but everything to do
with Fr. vin, It./Sp. vino, Port. vinho, etc.
Piotr
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, March 29, 2002 9:35 AM
Subject: Re: [tied] Re: Spread of Early Germanic
Steve, i smile a bit at your question but not in an
irronically way. I smile
very serious because I assume as fallow.
The
goths must known about wine at least at the time they arrived in Dacia
if not
eralier.
We have to take a look into Romanian Dictionary and we will see that
the
rumanians use just a word for wine and this is "vin".
Ethymologicaly
this word is assumed to be borrowed from latin "vinus" like
in gothic..
So?
Is there not a wonder? The rumanins use vin ,the goths win ( iguess
the
pronounciation is like in german) and we cann asume that is there a
latin
form?
Who cand tell me this is NOT the dacian form?No one. And i
swear, even Piotr
will keep himself back here.
But you gave me an
ideea.. I should like now to read Ulfila's bible for
trying to identify
rumanian words into this one.. And if we find it......
there will be a big
question.. ..A very big one, i guess...
Best Regards,
A.
Moeller
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