Re: [tied] Re: Spread of Early Germanic

From: João Simões Lopes Filho
Message: 12931
Date: 2002-03-29

Is there any consensus about the origin of the names for olive/oil ?
oliva/elaia <*eleiwa/*elaiwa
olaeum/elaion < *elaiwom
*el- appears in a lot of tree names (should we say "dendronyms") ? in PIE.

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From: altamix <altamix@...>
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Sent: Friday, March 29, 2002 4:35 AM
Subject: Re: [tied] Re: Spread of Early Germanic


>
> .
> [Steve wrote:]
>
> 3. The Gothic words for wine and olive bother me. (E.g., wein, sn. OE,
OHG,
> win; Lat, vinum.) Why would Gothic borrow these words from Latin, given
> where the first real life contacts would have occurred for the Goths at
> least. Perhaps, over many generations, the source of borrowed words
simply
> changed.
>
> [Moeller says:]
>
> Steve, i smile a bit at your question but not in an irronically way. I
smile
> very serious because I assume as fallow.
> The goths must known about wine at least at the time they arrived in Dacia
> if not eralier.
> We have to take a look into Romanian Dictionary and we will see that the
> rumanians use just a word for wine and this is "vin".
> Ethymologicaly this word is assumed to be borrowed from latin "vinus" like
> in gothic.. So?
> Is there not a wonder? The rumanins use vin ,the goths win ( iguess the
> pronounciation is like in german) and we cann asume that is there a latin
> form?
> Who cand tell me this is NOT the dacian form?No one. And i swear, even
Piotr
> will keep himself back here.
>
> But you gave me an ideea.. I should like now to read Ulfila's bible for
> trying to identify rumanian words into this one.. And if we find it......
> there will be a big question.. ..A very big one, i guess...
>
>
> Best Regards,
>
> A. Moeller
>
>
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