Re: Marx and Engels are Baltic deities

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: tgpedersen
> To: cybalist@...
> Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2002 4:45 PM
> Subject: [tied] Re: I, Hercules [was: A "Germanic" query]
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>
> I would be surprised if the Georgian name Vakhtang didn't have

something to do with V&r&Tragna too. Which makes Odin's names Vegtam
(road master?) and Valtam (battle master?) look suspicious too. Folk
etymologies based on the name of V&r&Tragna in some other (now lost)
language?

--- In cybalist@..., "Piotr Gasiorowski" <gpiotr@...> wrote:
> Why can't Odin's names like Valtamr or Vegtamr be what they seem to
be, i.e. transparent Norse epithets, like a hundred or so others?
>
> But look here:
>
> The Old Prussian Enchiridion (1561) mentions what must be ancient
Baltic deities disguised as Christian saints or celestial beings.
Search the following page:
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> http://www.kortlandt.nl/editions/ench.html
>
> ... and you will discover references to <swints Engels> (79:19,
81:19) and <swints Marx> (111:19). [I owe this observation to W.
Schmalstieg.] The worship of Marx and Engels was briefly
reestablished in the same part of Europe almost 400 years later, and
they were claimed to have been real people, prophets of a popular
religion of the time. Narrow-minded historians ascribed to them the
autorship of a holy brochure dated at AD 1848. But if that were true,
why are their names mentioned in _exactly_ the right form in an Old
Prussian document?
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> "Coincidence"?
>
> Piotr
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>
Your theory is of course completely unscientific. Marx and Engels
were _real_ people. What happened was that when they went on tour in
the Slavic lands, people thought that their ancient prophets had come
back, just like the Azteks did, and therefore believed every word
they said. When will you learn to respect proper science? Hrmph!

Torsten