Re: [tied] Costobocii

--- Horia Vlad <lupul@...> wrote:

>After the victories in Balkan
> Peninsula, the Costobocii army is forced to withdraw
> because Asdingi (German Vandal tribe) have been
> summoned against their home lands.

*****GK: This would fit in with second wave
"Psheworsk" military burials along the Dnister, which
are dated of the late 2nd c.******

(HV) Costobocii are

> also present in alliances with Bastarnae, Sarmatians
> (174 AD Marcus Aurelius battles in NE Dacia) and
> with Carpii.
>
> Costobocii have been archaeologically related to the
> apparition and developement of Lipica/Lipita culture
> 1st century BC - early 3rd century AD (Verhnija
> Lipica - Ivano-Frankovsk region, Ukraine)

*****GK: I know of no evidence indicating that the
Lypyts'ka kultura arrived on site (north of the
Dnister) before ca. 20 AD (earliest indicators)******

(HV) that

> stretches over North West Ukraine,

*****GK: Actually over some 100 kilometers at its
widest extent ca. 40-70 AD. By the 2nd c. the pure
form of this culture is only found in the upper
reaches of the Zolota Lypa r.******

Middle and North

> Moldavia, Transcarpatia, Maramures (North Romania)
> and South Eastern Slovakia.

******GK: Ukrainian archaeologists don't seem to think
so, though they freely admit that the enumerated areas
are occupied by "Dacian" cultures in that time
frame.******

The most known sites of

> Liptia culture are those from Verhnija Lipica,
> Remezevciah, Maidan-Gologirski (Lvov)

*****GK: The Majdan-Holohirs'kyj site at Lviv is not
considered "Lypytsian" but "Volyno-Podolian". This is
a group that emerges ca. 50 AD and integrates
Zarubinian, Psheworian, and Lypytsk elements into a
new synthesis (this has been thoroughly studied by V.
Kozak, and his latest analysis was published in 2000
by the Ukrainian Academy of Sciences). "V-P" and the
remaining "Lypytsk" area later merge into the
Chernyakhiv culture. The Upper Dnister component of
the latter [250-450 AD]is considered proto-Slavic by
V. Baran, who is the principal field archaeologist in
this area.******

,(HV) Malaja

> Kopajna (Zakarpatia) and Zemplin (South-East
> Slovakia). Lipita culture generally holds forms of
> Dacian character - typical Dacian ceramics and
> funerary rites. In Dolineni (Dolinean, South-West of
> Hotin, I think it's in Moldavia) there has been
> discovered a Dacian circular sanctuary, with wodden
> columns similar with those of Transylvania (the most
> famous is that from Sarmizegetusa). A rectangular
> religious building, discovered in Malaja Kopanja
> ("building nr. 7") has analogies in the Dacian
> cultic buildings found on Romanian territory -
> Popesti / Giurgiu, Bucharest / Tei, Cetateni /
> Arges, Sarmizegetusa etc. Obviously, the area of
> Liptia culture holds some traces of Iazygii, Alanii,
> Roxolanii, Bastarnae and later Przeworsk culture as
> well, but they are not numerous. The largest group
> of Sarmatian graves (14) has been found in Ostrivec
> (Ivano-Frankovsk region, Ukraine). In the Eastern
> limit of Lipica culture there have been also found
> ceramic fragments of Zerubinec culture.

******GK: The Zarubinian culture is the leading
contributor to the aforementioned "Volyno-Podolian"
group all along the upper Dnister.*******

>
> According to the longitudinal and latitudinal
> coordinates given by Ptolemy, the archaeological
> site of Malaja Kopajna can be identified with town
> Setidava and that from Zemplin with town Susudava
> (both davae mentioned in Geographia). Please confirm
> me some of this information, George, if I'm not
> wrong Ukraine is your field!

******GK: I'm not sure that the Ptolemy coordinates
are always 100% accurate, but in any case, as
mentioned above, Ukrainian archaeology recognizes the
Dacian character of the early 1rst mill. cultures in
the Carpathians, though some argue for a mixed
Celto-Dacian situation in certain areas like
Transcarpathia.******


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