Re: [tied] Re: Accepted cognates of Arya?

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From: george knysh

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Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2002 9:45 AM

Subject: Re: [tied] Re: Accepted cognates of Arya?

****GK: Piotr is quite correct of course. A small
corollary: some Alanic tribes WERE Avestan (the groups
which arrived in the Crimea in the late 2nd and early
3rd c. AD, and which founded SUGDEIA, later SUROZH,
contemporary SUDAK, and temporarily renamed FEODOSYA
as "ARTABDA".)******

PG: By "Avestan Iranians" I simply meant the Iranian peoples mentioned in the Avesta. You're right of course as regards the later spread of Zoroastrianism. Note also how in the "Daiva Inscription" Xerxes boasts that his father Darius the Great was "an Achaemenian (haxa:manis^iya-), a Persian, son of a Persian (pa:rsa- pa:rsahya:), an Aryan of Aryan stock (ariya- ariya-ciça-)".

 

*****GK: Note that if Piotr's earlier suggestion [that
Scythian PAR-ALA-TA is a lambdacized development of
PAR-ARYA ("thoroughly 'Aryan'"; which I subsequently
stated to have been translated into Herodotus' Greek
as "BASILEI" ="ROYALS")]is correct, and I have little
doubt that it is, then we have attested further
development of this term through a series of
intermediary forms (initially also Iranic) as PAL-ALA
(TA) (Diodorus' Greek "PALI" "PALEI", Pliny's
"S-PALEI" (into South Russian dialectic "ISPOLIN")-->
Jordanes' "SPALI", Zenob Glak's "PALUNI" (reflecting a
5th c. version), which eventually becomes a borrowing
in Slavic (Old Ukrainian):"POLI" "POLANI". The
historical sequence is clear, even if the early 12th
c. Primary Chronicle etymology as "people of the
fields" is "folkish". I have not made a special
investigation of this, but would hardly be surprised
that what holds for Ukrainian also holds for
Polish.******

This calls for a lot of special research before anyone buys it. I'm not saying it's impossible, just highly speculative at present. But who knows?

 

Piotr