--- Piotr Gasiorowski <
gpiotr@...> wrote:
> Some non-Avestan Iranian tribes certainly did (the
> Alani = *a:ryana-),
****GK: Piotr is quite correct of course. A small
corollary: some Alanic tribes WERE Avestan (the groups
which arrived in the Crimea in the late 2nd and early
3rd c. AD, and which founded SUGDEIA, later SUROZH,
contemporary SUDAK, and temporarily renamed FEODOSYA
as "ARTABDA".)******
and the very name "Iran" refers
> to Middle Persian e:ran s^ahr 'kingdom of the
> Aryans'; but I do not know of any non-Indo-Iranians
> referring to themselves as <arya->
*****GK: Note that if Piotr's earlier suggestion [that
Scythian PAR-ALA-TA is a lambdacized development of
PAR-ARYA ("thoroughly 'Aryan'"; which I subsequently
stated to have been translated into Herodotus' Greek
as "BASILEI" ="ROYALS")]is correct, and I have little
doubt that it is, then we have attested further
development of this term through a series of
intermediary forms (initially also Iranic) as PAL-ALA
(TA) (Diodorus' Greek "PALI" "PALEI", Pliny's
"S-PALEI" (into South Russian dialectic "ISPOLIN")-->
Jordanes' "SPALI", Zenob Glak's "PALUNI" (reflecting a
5th c. version), which eventually becomes a borrowing
in Slavic (Old Ukrainian):"POLI" "POLANI". The
historical sequence is clear, even if the early 12th
c. Primary Chronicle etymology as "people of the
fields" is "folkish". I have not made a special
investigation of this, but would hardly be surprised
that what holds for Ukrainian also holds for
Polish.******
-- except of
> course for the recent misuse of the term in Europe,
> which started with F. Schlegel's guess(erroneous, as
> we know now), that German Ehre had something to do
> with <arya->, and his much bolder (and completely
> unfounded) theory that it was what the IEs called
> themselves.
>
> Piotr
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: ravichaudhary2000
> To: cybalist@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2002 12:56 AM
> Subject: [tied] Re: Accepted cognates of Arya?
>
>
>
> Do or did any tribes or groups apart from
> "Iranians" or " Indo" of
> the avestan or rig vedic variety use arya as a
> term to describe
> themselves, ?
>
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