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tgpedersen@... wrote:
> >
> > Would anyone care to comment on this? It contains
> a lot of
> > information, but I don't fell competent to assess
> it properly:
> >
> > http://www.peoples.org.ru/tatar/eng_173.html
In cybalist@..., "Sergejus Tarasovas"
> <S.Tarasovas@...> wrote:
> > I wonder why you don't grudge your time for such
> stuff?
(Torsten):> Because I don't know any better ;-) That's
why I ask
> other people to
> comment it; I know no Turkic etymology for example.
> I can see of
> course that much of it doesn't seem probable, but
> there is so much
> factual information in it and some of that might
> even be true?
>
> Torsten
******GK: What is (probably?)true are the Turkic items
independently assessed, and some historical
statements. What is CERTAINLY false is the application
of these items to Scythians, Sarmatians, Alans. As to
your general thesis. I'm sorry Torsten but the more I
get into the details you've painstakingly provided,
the more improbable this business of "Odin" marching
east to west sometimes in pre- or classic Augustan
times becomes. You have enriched our knowledge of
Danish archaeology a great deal, and for that much
gratitude is owed to you. I find your relentless
interest in these matters admirable, but there comes a
time when "one should stop flogging a dead horse".
There are just too many facts in the way of your
thesis. Now it is clear that my opinion will not stop
you, but may I suggest a more constructive line.
Having looked at Tore's theory about the Svear,
perhaps you might evaluate its pluses and minuses from
your perspective. As I see this you guys are pretty
close except for the time frame.== Secondly, see if
you can come up with a "deeper" scenario, viz., that
"Odin" marched North from "Asgard" at some more remote
antiquity for instance ca. 3000 BC: that the battle of
"Aesir" and "Vanir" and their eventual fusion might
represent the relationships of steppe peoples and
their Western neighbours. That the migration to the
North might mean the "first Indo-Europeans" in
Scandinavia. After all "Gardariki" in Snorri is Old
Rus', and the "march" sounds very much like up the
rivers and westward across the Baltic.Which is what
archaeology tells us about Corded Ware going North.
Have you thought at all of such a scenario? The
mentions of "Rome", "Tyrkland" etc. do not provide
necessary information: they are conventionalized
props. Even the Tanais is not a sacrosanct indicator
(what happened to Ra-Volga?). Another advantahe of
this refocus would be to get us talking about very
ancient times again...(:=))******
>
>
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