From: tgpedersen@...
Message: 11603
Date: 2001-11-30
>Because?
> --- tgpedersen@... wrote:
> > >
> > > Would anyone care to comment on this? It contains
> > a lot of
> > > information, but I don't fell competent to assess
> > it properly:
> > >
> > > http://www.peoples.org.ru/tatar/eng_173.html
>
> In cybalist@..., "Sergejus Tarasovas"
> > <S.Tarasovas@...> wrote:
> > > I wonder why you don't grudge your time for such
> > stuff?
>
> (Torsten):> Because I don't know any better ;-) That's
> why I ask
> > other people to
> > comment it; I know no Turkic etymology for example.
> > I can see of
> > course that much of it doesn't seem probable, but
> > there is so much
> > factual information in it and some of that might
> > even be true?
> >
> > Torsten
>
> ******GK: What is (probably?)true are the Turkic items
> independently assessed, and some historical
> statements. What is CERTAINLY false is the application
> of these items to Scythians, Sarmatians, Alans.
> As toThe jury is back and my horse is proclaimed dead. Alas,
> your general thesis. I'm sorry Torsten but the more I
> get into the details you've painstakingly provided,
> the more improbable this business of "Odin" marching
> east to west sometimes in pre- or classic Augustan
> times becomes. You have enriched our knowledge of
> Danish archaeology a great deal, and for that much
> gratitude is owed to you. I find your relentless
> interest in these matters admirable, but there comes a
> time when "one should stop flogging a dead horse".
> There are just too many facts in the way of your
> thesis. Now it is clear that my opinion will not stop
> you, but may I suggest a more constructive line.
> Having looked at Tore's theory about the Svear,
> perhaps you might evaluate its pluses and minuses from
> your perspective. As I see this you guys are pretty
> close except for the time frame.== Secondly, see if
> you can come up with a "deeper" scenario, viz., that
> "Odin" marched North from "Asgard" at some more remote
> antiquity for instance ca. 3000 BC: that the battle of
> "Aesir" and "Vanir" and their eventual fusion might
> represent the relationships of steppe peoples and
> their Western neighbours. That the migration to the
> North might mean the "first Indo-Europeans" in
> Scandinavia. After all "Gardariki" in Snorri is Old
> Rus', and the "march" sounds very much like up the
> rivers and westward across the Baltic.Which is what
> archaeology tells us about Corded Ware going North.
> Have you thought at all of such a scenario? The
> mentions of "Rome", "Tyrkland" etc. do not provide
> necessary information: they are conventionalized
> props. Even the Tanais is not a sacrosanct indicator
> (what happened to Ra-Volga?). Another advantahe of
> this refocus would be to get us talking about very
> ancient times again...(:=))******
> >
> >
> >
>