Re: [tied] Scythian tribal names

From: Piotr Gasiorowski
Message: 11535
Date: 2001-11-27

The second-hand source I used (I have no access to any edition of the text to check if there are any interpolations or omissions in the quote) is
 
http://members.uk.tripod.de/~Groznijat/p_bulgar/p_bulg1a.htm
 
It quotes "Zachariah Rhetor"'s Syriac Chronicle as follows, after N.V. Pigulevskaja, _Sirijskie istochniki po istorii narodov SSSR_, Moscow-Leningrad, 1941, pp. 3-9:
 
The land Bazgun ... extends up to the Caspian Gates and to the sea, which are in the Hunnish lands. Beyond the gates live the Burgars (Bulgars), who have their language, and are people pagan and barbarian. They have towns. And the Alans - they have five towns. ... Avnagur (Aunagur) are people, who live in tents. Avgar, sabir, burgar, alan, kurtargar, avar, hasar, dirmar, sirurgur, bagrasir, kulas, abdel and hephtalit are thirteen peoples, who live in tents, earn their living on the meat of livestock and fish, of wild animals and by their weapons (plunder).
 
Piotr
 
 
From: george knysh
To: cybalist@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2001 11:22 PM
Subject: Re: [tied] Scythian tribal names


--- Piotr Gasiorowski <gpiotr@...> wrote:
>
Sorry, I meant to say, "as one of thirteen peoples".
> The
> version
of the list I've seen includes the following
> ethnonyms:

****GK: I'll put the names from my Artamonov list next
to yours for purposes of comparison*****

Avgar[AUGAR], Sabir[SAV/B/IR], Burgar[BURGAR],
Alan[NOT THERE, BUT HEADING THE LIST BEFORE "AUGAR" IS
SOMETHING CALLED "AUNGUR"], Kurtargar[KURTAGAR],
>
Avar[AVAR],
> Hasar[XAZAR], Dirmar[DIRMAR],
Sirurgur[SIRIGUR],
Bagrasir[BAGRASIK], Kulas[KULAS], Abdel[ABDEL] and
>
Hephtalit[EPHTALIT]. The Ephthalites (a.k.a. the
Hephthalites
> or
White
> Huns) are somewhat enigmatic. There are various
>
theories
> about their ethnic and linguistic position
> (Turkic?),
though
> there may have been a number of Sakas among their
>
upper
> class at one time or another.
>
> I've never heard of
<-mar> as an Iranian ethnonymic
> suffix.
> Any
examples?

*****GK: I'll look up Maenchen-Helfen and get back to
you on this in a couple of days.*****
>
> Piotr
>
>


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