Re: [tied] Danube and Dnieper in Baltic and Slavic

From: george knysh
Message: 11501
Date: 2001-11-26

--- Piotr Gasiorowski <gpiotr@...> wrote:
> (3 & 4) *da:nu- 'river; water (thus in Ossetic)' >
> Middle NE Iranian ("Sarmatian") *danu- (plus
> stress-bearing second elements, which were perhaps
> *is^ra- 'strong' and *afra- 'deep', respectively).

*****GK: Other linguists (who have also analyzed
BORUSTHENES--DANAPRIS--D'N''PR'--DNIPRO/DNIAPRO/DNEPR
as well as the historical sequences leading up to
Dnister) prefer to link the second component [PRIS
incl. the early BORUS in the metathesised variant
BORUSTHENES(via Gr); -STR-]to Thracian hydronyms. They
also think that the DAN element is explained just as
well if not better by Thracian rn like San-dan(os).
They point to the fact that the initial "a" in
Thracian -dan is short. Trubachov AFAIK accepts an
Iranic beginning but postulates a Thracian
intermediary phase before the Slavic forms. Stryzhak
uses Ockham's razor here. And he quite agrees with
Sergejus that DNIPRO/DNIAPRO/DNEPR cannot be derived
from the DUN (DUNAJ) DANUBE complexes. All of this
does not deny that the Iranic tribes of the lower
Dnister and Dnipro may have had their own names for
these rivers, incl. the DANA- component. It merely
suggests that such Iranic names coexisted with
Thracian (or Thrakoid "Scythian") ones and that the
eventual Slavic forms evolved from the latter not from
the former.*****



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