Re: [tied] Re: Boiotia < *bhoi- ?

From: Piotr Gasiorowski
Message: 11173
Date: 2001-11-16

Let me add that <bruges> can be compared with the Greek form <pHruges>, with Macedonian or indeed Phrygian phonetics (*bH > Mac./Phr. b : Gk. pH). There is therefore some justification for the hypothesis that the Bryges of the East Balkans were ethnonymically (and perhaps also in other ways, see Herodotus) related to the Phrygians of Asia Minor, but the Celtic connection is pure fantasy, as Chris points out.
 
Celtic *brigant- has a perfectly good native etymology, *bHrg^H-nt- 'high, lofty > exalted, noble', the feminine form of which (*bHrg^H-nt-ih2) is the prototype of Brigit (her name means 'lady', more or less). Even with a different suffix *bH(e)rg^H- would not have yielded anything like <bruges>/<pHruges> in Phrygian itself. We know a thing or two about Phrygian -- not very much, but enough to be sure that it has nothing to do with Celtic. It used to be regarded as a close relative of Thracian and/or Armenian, but the view that it ought to be grouped with Greek and Ancient Macedonian as a "Hellenoid" language has been gaining ground in recent decades.
 
Piotr
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Christopher Gwinn
To: cybalist@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2001 4:59 PM
Subject: [tied] Re: Boiotia < *bhoi- ?
 
> ... The Bryges lived on in Celtic Europe of the as the Brigantes of Britain and the Brigantii of southern Germany, and probably, I think, of the Roman town of Brigetio on the middle Danube. Their eponymous goddess was known to the Gauls, and lives on today as the Irish Saint Brigit.
[Chris:] More ridiculousness. You _cannot_ postulate connections between disparate tribes based simply on superficial similarities in name. The Brigantes of Britain and the Brigantii of Gaul _might_ have a distant connection - but they certainly have no connection whatsoever to the Bryges.