Re: [tied] Re: Boiotia

*bh, *dh, *gh > b, d, g and *p, *t, *k > ph, th, kh
two hypothesis:
1) a "Germanoid" substratum
2) an "Armenoid" substratum

the point is to know this substratum was satem or kentum.

akh < *akW = satem? cf. Inakos, Akheron, Akheloos (Akhileus?)

Carnoy also mentioned similar traits, as Dirke < *dherg and Ke:phisos <
*gWa:p-

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Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2001 11:25 AM
Subject: [tied] Re: Boiotia < *bhoi- ?

> --- In cybalist@..., "Dr. Antonio Sciarretta" <sciarretta@...>
> wrote:
> > At 13:20 06.11.2001 -0200, you wrote:
> > >Could be Greek Boio:tia (boio:tos) < *bHoi- ??? cf. Bajarix,
> Bojorix,
> > >Bohemia, Bavaria (Bajovaria), etc. Perhaps this name came from
> another IE
> > >dialect (where bH->b instead of Greek ph). Boio:tos could be
> equivalent of
> > >Boute:s.
> >
> > Can you tell me what is this root that seems to form ethnical and
> personal
> > names ?
> Probably the one in Dutch boer, German Bauer, ON bondi "farmer";
> Danish bo "to live (in, at), inhabitate".
>
>
>
> > However, from a phonetic point of view, Boeotia is perfectly
> compatible
> > with what postulated by V. Georgiev and others, that brilliantly
> explained
> > a lot of toponyms in ancient (southern) Greece by supposing the
> existence
> > of a pre-Greek, but IE language with phonetic features different
> from
> > Greek. In particular, *bh, *dh, *gh > b,d,g and *p, *t, *k > ph,
> th, kh.
> > Another important feature would be the maintenance of *s-
> > This language, attributed to "Pelasgians", would explain for
> instance
> > Achelous fl. (Acarnania) < *akw-el- 'water',
> > Aedepsus (Eubea), cfr. Gk. aitho 'to burn',
> > Dyme (Achaia) < *dhu-mo- 'dark, smoke',
> > Inachus fl. (Argolis) < *is-n-@... 'rapid water',
> > Phaestum (Creta) < *pais-to- 'soot(ed)',
> > Salamis ins. < *sal-m- 'salted, sea',
> > Thebai < *(s)tebh- if compatible with the mycenean form te-qa
> proposed by Joao
> > various Larissa, -kynthos and -nthos
> > and many others, more problematic.
> > Most of these seems to have not a Greek etymology, so that in the
> past a
> > "Mediterranean" substratum was invoked (or , probably, invented) to
> explain
> > them.
> >
>
> I read Georgiev some years back. Well argued.
> You find -ind, -und, -s in Danish pre-Germanic island names similar
> to the -inthos, -unthos, -ssos place names of Georgiev's substratum
> of Greek, see
>
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cybalist/message/5219
>
> Interestingly, *bh, *dh, *gh > b, d, g and *p, *t, *k > ph, th, kh
> would fit well with a pre-proto-Germanic-like language in Scandinavia.
> Perhaps Georgiev's substratum language was spoken in Denmark too once?
>
> Recently I found on the net excavations at Samara in Russia with
> bronze age weapons of the same type as on the Lemnos stele and as
> found in Danish bronze age finds, see the attached file in
>
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cybalist/message/8522
>
> You don't trade that kind of weapons, you bring them with you.
>
> Torsten
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Re: [tied] Re: Boiotia < *bhoi- ?