Re: [tied] Slavic hawk-word

I picked these names for birds of prey:

*kabhu- kapu- [hawk, falcon] CGer habukaz Polish kobuz=Russian kobets Grk
kapys Alb shkabë "eagle"
*er-n^- [eagle] Grk ornis CGer aron,arnuz Lit eras,erelis,erglis OSl
orIlU Hit harash OIrl ilar<*irar =Wel eryr
*s-mer- Grk mermnôn[kite] Av m@...@ghô [big bird] Sansk mrgah
(wild animal) Lat milvus[kite <*merlivos?] OHG smerlo "merlin"
onomatopeic *ul- [owl] Lat ulula Grk ololygon San ulukah CGer
uwwalon,uwwilon
*iHw- Grk jygx,gen jyggos [wryneck] Lit yva [owl]
*k^yein- [eagle, dark bird] Grk iktinos [kite] Arm çin [kite] San
s^yena[eagle]=Av saena [eagle] cf. Lat aquila [from aquilus "dark" ?],
milvus[from *mel- "dark"?]

onomatopeic*bu- [owl, eagle-owl] Lat bubo Grk byas,byzas Arm bu,buec Pers
bûm
onomatopeic *ghu- San ghu:kah [Otus] Lit gegu?e cuccko]
CGer gaukaz"cuccko"]
onomatopeic *k^au- [owl] Lat cauannus<Gaulish VSl sova Arm sag
Grk ke:yx,kauax OHG hu:wo
*wiy- [hawk] OHG wi:(h)o,wi:go Grk hierax
*s-torg- CGer storkaz [stork] Grk torgos [vultur, big
bird]

----- Original Message -----
From: Miguel Carrasquer Vidal <mcv@...>
To: <cybalist@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2001 1:55 PM
Subject: Re: [tied] Slavic hawk-word


> On Fri, 2 Nov 2001 10:37:48 -0200, "João S. Lopes Filho"
> <jodan99@...> wrote:
>
> >And Latin also have astur "hawk" (cf. Azores, from Portuguese Ac,ores
> >"hawks").
>
> Latin -st- would not have given Port. -ç-. Indeed, Coromines gives
> the etymology of Cast. AZOR 'ave de rapiña' as: "(azttore 941). Del
> lat. vg. ACCEPTOR, -O:RIS, íd. (ACCIPITER en latín clásico)".
>
> So what is (Late) Latin <astur>, <asturis> "hawk"? A satemism
> imported from somewhere east of Italy, or a vulgarism (ACCEPTO:RE >
> aççttÚre == ASTUREM) in Classical Latin?
>
> The only reference for ASTUR in the online Latin dict. of Lewis &
> Short is "Firm. Math. 5, 7 fin.", which I think I can trace to:
>
> "Firmi:cus Maternus, Iulius. A Sicilian, the author of an astrological
> work in eight books (Matheseos Libri), finished A.D. 354. It is a
> complete system and defence of astrology, conceived in the
> Neo-Platonic spirit, and hostile to Christianity. It contains the
> earliest known mention of alchemy (iii. 15). The work is monotonous in
> diction, and hazy in its reasoning..."
>
>