Re: [tied] Slavic hawk-word

You're right. According to Antenor Nascentes' Etymological Dictionary :açor,
do Latim acceptore, *ac'ptor, *açtor. "Meyer-Lübke rejects Latin accipter
and astur.
I didnt know astur was Late Latin, the suffix seems the same as vultur.

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From: Miguel Carrasquer Vidal <mcv@...>
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Sent: Friday, November 02, 2001 1:55 PM
Subject: Re: [tied] Slavic hawk-word


> On Fri, 2 Nov 2001 10:37:48 -0200, "João S. Lopes Filho"
> <jodan99@...> wrote:
>
> >And Latin also have astur "hawk" (cf. Azores, from Portuguese Ac,ores
> >"hawks").
>
> Latin -st- would not have given Port. -ç-. Indeed, Coromines gives
> the etymology of Cast. AZOR 'ave de rapiña' as: "(azttore 941). Del
> lat. vg. ACCEPTOR, -O:RIS, íd. (ACCIPITER en latín clásico)".
>
> So what is (Late) Latin <astur>, <asturis> "hawk"? A satemism
> imported from somewhere east of Italy, or a vulgarism (ACCEPTO:RE >
> aççttÚre == ASTUREM) in Classical Latin?
>
> The only reference for ASTUR in the online Latin dict. of Lewis &
> Short is "Firm. Math. 5, 7 fin.", which I think I can trace to:
>
> "Firmi:cus Maternus, Iulius. A Sicilian, the author of an astrological
> work in eight books (Matheseos Libri), finished A.D. 354. It is a
> complete system and defence of astrology, conceived in the
> Neo-Platonic spirit, and hostile to Christianity. It contains the
> earliest known mention of alchemy (iii. 15). The work is monotonous in
> diction, and hazy in its reasoning..."
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