[tied] Re: Zeus roles and the IE trinity reviewed

From: Christopher Gwinn
Message: 10864
Date: 2001-11-01

> Your ideas are very likely, but I have doubts about the links of
Teutates,
> Quirinus and Freyr with water.

For Quirinus, I am not sure of water connections, but Teutates'
sacrificial victims were drowned in giant vats of liquid. Teutates
was normally connected with Mars, as was Nodons in Britain - Nodons =
Irish Nuadu, a god certainly connected with waters (the Mars
connection was due to Mars secondary function as healer).

> I suspect that IE triad in Greece was synchretized differently
along the
> many regions of Greece.

True.



> Poseidon was a violent god,
> linked to horses. Swift horses are usually called "wind's
children", so I
> think one (among the many another ones) trait of Poseidon was a
Wind God
> (cf. his son Aiolos). Other possibility, to fit the Dumezilian
triad is to
> consider Poseidon as the fecundity male god (similar to Freyr and
Quirinus),
> father of heroes, ancestor of peoples (mainly the Aeolian).
> I usually consider the Twins as children of the equine Wind-God
(Poseidon,
> Aiolos, Boreas) and a demonic goddess of darkness, nightmares and
alcohol
> (cf. Medousa, Medb, Madhavi:, Erinys, Saranyu). But another
possibility I'm
> considering now is that Twins' father was the Fecundity god, and he
was
> equine, instead Wind-God. Perhaps Wind-God animal is more the wolf
> (symbolism seen in Bhima), or perhaps the tiger (if we consider the
IE
> inhabit a territory with tigers).


It is generally thought that the Divine Horse Twins' father was a
sun/sky god, though. I have read in O'Rahilly's Early Irish History
and Mythology that



> Or would be the watery traits an element of Nasatyas? IE Twins are
usually
> related to vegetal and water symbolism, cf. Am@...@ta:t and
Haurvata:t.

I'll need to check some of my sources, but I am almost certain that
the Nasatyas had watery connections.

- Chris Gwinn