From: João S. Lopes Filho
Message: 10303
Date: 2001-10-16
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Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2001 5:06 PM
Subject: [tied] Re: kronos = kumarpish
> --- In cybalist@..., "João S. Lopes Filho" <jodan99@...> wrote:
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> > What's the origin of the god KRONOS?
> >
> > Kronos seems to be a Greek equivalent of Hurrian Kumarpish
> (etymology?), the god who dethroned the father of gods, castrated him
> by swallowing his penis (uuurgh!), and, spitting his semen down to
> the earth, gave rise to the newer gods, who would be Kumarpish's foes.
> >
> > What gods were born from this event? The usual list is Teshub
> (storm-god), Shuwalijash (*Sxwel "sun"?) (or Tashmetu) and Tigris
> River. Sometimes it's included Shaushqa and a "love god".
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> > This event seems to be equivalente to 1)Kronos vomitting his
> children, 2) Dionysos rising from Zeus''s thigh 3) Aphrodite borning
> in the sea foam from Ouranos's semen.
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> I agree, especially Aphrodite. Didn't the semen get into the sea when
> Kronos castrated Ouranos?
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> > In some Semitic mythologies Kumarpish was identified to
> Dagon "grain, corn, wheat". So, I think Kronos < *G^r@..., animated
> form of neuter *g^r@... "corn, grain", in a non-Greek Kentum IE
> dialect (perhaps Hittite-like, or Tocharian-like).
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> And Kronos carried a sickle which could be used for cutting grain.
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> > 1) Anatolian had a god Kumarpish
> > 2) Semitic people called him Dagan (DGN)
> > 3) Some IE people translated Dagan as *G^r@...
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> > I think in the archaic form of Theogony, Kronos castrated Ouranos,
> swallowed his penis, and spitted the young gods Zeus (Teshub), Hera
> or Athena or Aphrodite (Shaushka), and another ones.
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> That definetly seems like one version of the myth.
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> > I'm looking for etymologies for Hesiodic and non-Hesiodic Titans'
> names: Okeanos,Te:thys, Kreios, Koios, Iapetos (cf. Jafeth),
> Eurymedon, Themis, Hyperion, Theia, Mnemosyne, Atlas, Dione, Phoibe:,
> Rheia.
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> I've read that Dione was probably a female equivalent of Dyaus. She
> was considered the wife of Zues Naios at the oracle in Dodona and
> worshipped in association with an oak tree.
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> Cort Williams
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