From: João S. Lopes Filho
Message: 10263
Date: 2001-10-16
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Sent: Monday, October 15, 2001 6:14 PM
Subject: [tied] Re: kronos = kumarpish
> I have read suggestions that the word is related to a word (to *(s)ker
> perhaps) meaning 'the one who cuts/divides'. The idea is that he
> divides day from night and night from day, i.e., he's the god of dawn
> and dusk. The castration motif, then, is a later, almost
> self-consciously literary development. As for his devouring his
> children, the dawn can be seen as devouring the night-sky's landmarks,
> only to vomit them back out at dusk.
>
>
> --- In cybalist@..., "João S. Lopes Filho" <jodan99@...> wrote:
> > What's the origin of the god KRONOS?
> >
> > Kronos seems to be a Greek equivalent of Hurrian Kumarpish
> (etymology?), the god who dethroned the father of gods, castrated him
> by swallowing his penis (uuurgh!), and, spitting his semen down to the
> earth, gave rise to the newer gods, who would be Kumarpish's foes.
> >
> > What gods were born from this event? The usual list is Teshub
> (storm-god), Shuwalijash (*Sxwel "sun"?) (or Tashmetu) and Tigris
> River. Sometimes it's included Shaushqa and a "love god".
> >
> > This event seems to be equivalente to 1)Kronos vomitting his
> children, 2) Dionysos rising from Zeus''s thigh 3) Aphrodite borning
> in the sea foam from Ouranos's semen.
> >
> > In some Semitic mythologies Kumarpish was identified to Dagon
> "grain, corn, wheat". So, I think Kronos < *G^r@..., animated form of
> neuter *g^r@... "corn, grain", in a non-Greek Kentum IE dialect
> (perhaps Hittite-like, or Tocharian-like).
> >
> > 1) Anatolian had a god Kumarpish
> > 2) Semitic people called him Dagan (DGN)
> > 3) Some IE people translated Dagan as *G^r@...
> >
> > I think in the archaic form of Theogony, Kronos castrated Ouranos,
> swallowed his penis, and spitted the young gods Zeus (Teshub), Hera or
> Athena or Aphrodite (Shaushka), and another ones.
> >
> > I'm looking for etymologies for Hesiodic and non-Hesiodic Titans'
> names: Okeanos,Te:thys, Kreios, Koios, Iapetos (cf. Jafeth),
> Eurymedon, Themis, Hyperion, Theia, Mnemosyne, Atlas, Dione, Phoibe:,
> Rheia.
> >
> > I'd like to see your comments and corrections.
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