Miguel:
>Let me give my speculations on the numbers to compare them with Glen's
>(I can't find that post right now).
>
>1. *sem- < **sam-
>2. *duoh3 < **du(w)-aku
>3. *treies < **tilati-atu
>4. *kWetwores (*pWetwores) < *putu-(w)a:r(?)-atu
>5. *penkWe (< *kem(t)kwe ?) < *kam(a)t- + -kua (?)
>10. *dek^m(t) < *du + kam(a)t- (?)
My theory is as follows, which is much more involved and mostly
lacking in easy parenthetic reconstructions and ad hoc slice-and-dice
etymologies:
Late IE Late-Mid IE Old IE IndoTyrr
c.5000-4000 c.6000-5000 c.7000-6000 c.9000-7000
------------------------------------------------------------
1. *sem- *same "heap" *same "heap" --
*dus- "bad" *t:�u *t:�u *t:�u
-- *t:�- *t:� *t:�
2. *dwo:u *t:Wax� -- --
*dwix *t:W�ix� *t:W�i *t:W�i
*dwo- *t:Wa- *t:Wa *t:W�
3. *treies *kW�l�i�s *kW�l�i *k:W�l
4. *kWetwores *kW�tWar�s *kWatW�n --
*kWet(w)e- *kW�tW�- *kWatW� *kWat:Wa
5. *penkWe *p�nkW� *p�nkW� *p�nkW�
6. *swek^s *sw�ks� *sw�ks� (?)
7. *septm *s�pt�m *s�pt�m (?)
8. *ok^to:u *kW�tWaxe *kW�tWax� (?)
9. *neun *n�ur� *n�ur� (?)
10. *dek^m *t:�k�m *t:�k�m *t:�-kam
20. *wi:k^mtix *k�mt�ix� *kam�s(kam�t-) *kam�t
How *penkWe derives from *kem(t)kwe and how that makes much sense
semantically is beyond me. Why does *r in *treies derive from *l
in this instance but not others? What is the rule behind this? Why
does *u sometimes beget IE *We (*putu-(w)a:r(?)-atu > *kWetwores)
and sometimes *e (*du-kam(a)t- > *dekm) and sometimes from *e,
ignoring for the moment the obscene *p>*kW problem? Why do you
keep using parentheses and question marks everywhere? That's a big
hint that you fail to devise consistant sound rules just like
Dolgopolsky! Not very Grimm-like, is it? Grimm had rules and that's
why people like him.
By the way, my above theory finds five parallels to the Tyrrhenian
numeral system, has defined rules, and outlines all the relevant
intermediate stages, teehee! I'm going to sip a coffee now and
gloat like an ass...
- love gLeN
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