Re: [tied] a(i)s-

--- In cybalist@..., Miguel Carrasquer Vidal <mcv@...> wrote:

> On Sat, 29 Sep 2001 10:10:24 -0000, tgpedersen@... wrote:
>
> >re: ais, eis (god, divinity).
> >
> >"
> >Plural: aisar, aesar eisar, eiser, ais-er, ais-ar. Variants:

aisuna

> >(Rex Sacrorum), eisnev (priestly title), aineri ("to be

worshipped"),

> >aisna ("divine"). Cf. N. Picene aiten; Umbrian esono- Marrucian
> >aisos, etc. all meaning `god" or related activities such

as "worship"

> >or "sacrifice.
> >
> >Benveniste proposed a connection with Celt. and Goth.*isarn (iron)

as

> >the "Celestial metal". ...
>
> That's Celtic *i:sarnos -> Goth. <eisarn> /i:sarn/, with initial

*ei-.

>
> >If he is right, the word is also related
> >to Skt. ayas (iron, metal), which is even closer to the Etruscan
> >form, and also has the same meaning.
>
> Skt. <ayas> does *not* mean "god".
>
> >But then we also have a
> >connection with Lat. aes, Teut. ais, Them. aisa, Germ. eisen,

etc.,

>
> Gmc. *aiz (> Eng. <ore>) has nothing to do with Gmc. *i:sarn- (>

Eng.

> <iron>). The froms <ayas>, <aiz>, <aes> etc. derive from a PIE

*aio-

> (*h2ai-o-) "copper (ore)".

All this assuming, of course, that the words weren't loaned, in which
case there's no telling whether or not they were related.

Torsten