Re: [tied] Patronymics

From: João S. Lopes Filho
Message: 8929
Date: 2001-09-01

The use of the village occurred in some of the Portuguese who came to
Brazil. So, a Antonio Alves coming from Lisboa (Lisbon), adopted the name
Antonio Alves Lisboa.
And the use of the village to distinguish is used sometimes in Brazil in
soccer players. So, we have Ronaldinho gaucho ("Gaucho Little Ronaldo", from
Rio Grande do Sul, southernmost state of Brazil) - now playing in France -
and Ronaldinho Carioca ("Carioca Little Ronaldo", from Rio de Janeiro), -
playing in Internazionale.

Joao SL
Rio
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Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2001 5:34 AM
Subject: [tied] Patronymics


> --- In cybalist@..., "João S. Lopes Filho" <jodan99@...> wrote:
> > About GARCIA family: Garcia was originally a first name, not
> surname. So,
> > there's a lot of independent Garcia families, because the name
> Garcia was
> > used as a patronymic - so, Juan Garcia was the Juan Garcia's son.
> The same
> > is valid for Gomes/Gomez and Osorio.
> > After XVI century the patronymics became gradually surnames. You
> have
> > analogous examples of patronymics becoming surnames in almost all
> European
> > languages.
> > See yours - "Pedersen" = Peter's son
> > And mine "Simoes Lopes" = Simon's son, Lopo's son
> >
> >
> > Joao Simoes Lopes
> > Rio,Brazil
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> All the -sen names (I belive the top one (Nielsen ?) claims 6% of the
> population) were fixed in the last half of the 19th century by law.
> Before that time they were true patronynmics, cf eg our national
> composer Carl Nielsen, son of Niels Jørgensen Maler (house painter).
> His youngest siblings, born after that law, had the surname
> Jørgensen. If the name was ambiguous, you might add the name of the
> farm he was from, giving you names like Søndergård Poulsen, Nørregård
> Olsen etc., profession: Maler, Bager, Smed or village: Knabstrup,
> Mørkøv. Almost a Russian system!
> When I was in the army the old custom of calling each other by
> village name (or number) was still used among us privates.
>
> Torsten
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