Re: [tied] Re: AIT

From: Glen Gordon
Message: 8892
Date: 2001-08-31

>The only thing that the comparative light-skinned and European
>features of the population of modern northern India proves is that
>the region was largely depopulated of darker Dravidian types when the
>Indo-Aryans moved into that area in the mid-2nd millenium BC.

I do not dispute the impact of IndoAryan movement into India at all.

>This does NOT suggest that northern India was populated since the
>Ice Age by light-skinned European types speaking an early Burushaski

This is my impression already obtained based on _linguistics_ and
I'm simply looking for any archaeological support of the movements
I'm seeing.

As I stated, my conclusion is that there were three groups of
languages in Central Asia by 9000 BCE. This is based partly on
mutual influence of some of these languages (particularly the
influence between SinoDene and Steppe) but also on how I classify
Burushaski and SinoDene within the larger DeneCaucasian family.

To explain their eventual positions as well their similarities,
SinoDene and BuruYen must have been side-by-side at some point
in time and that location is likely to have been Central Asia with
BuruYen to the west and SinoDene to the east. This idea also
compliments an already existant connection made between Yeneseian
and Burushaski and supplies the specific date of seperation
(10000 BCE).

I'm pretty sure that Steppe entered circa 9000, which is the view
of Allen Bomhard who refers to the language as "Eurasiatic", and
I'm pretty sure that Abadha (NWC + Hattic) spread westward from the
east cleaving the BuruYen family in two. As Steppe spreads
northward, it in turn cuts NWC off from NaDene and SinoTibetan to
the east and further seperates the Burushaski from Yeneseian. My
linguistic map of Central Asia at 8500 BCE is supplied on my site at:

The red region is Steppe, yellow is BuruYen and green is SinoDene.
I've also supplied a suggested positioning of fragmenting dialects
within in the Steppe area. As you can see, IndoTyrrhenian is
next to "HatticNWC" (which I now call "Abadha").

>Also, archaeology shows that palaeolithic man adapted to the tundra
>steppes and spread throughout an eco-zone all the way into Siberia,
>hunting mammoth and anything else that moved. Speculation on contacts
>with the Mongoloids and even the origin of the Ainu may be justified.

My view so far is that Ainu was in East Asia for a very long time
and was probably there even 12000 years ago. It has already been
suggested that Ainu is related to (but seperate from) the
Austronesian family. This makes the most sense to me.

>However, to suggest that these cromagnons were driven south into
>India is hyper-speculation.

A demic movement is not vital. However, I do see a linguistic
movement from the north at this time. And who knows, perhaps a few
genes here and there, if not the whole CroMagnon package.

gLeNny gEe
...wEbDeVEr gOne bEsErK!

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