Re: [tied] Rim-?

From: Piotr Gasiorowski
Message: 8840
Date: 2001-08-29

There was also an Old Church Slavic variant with <u>: <rumU, rumIsk-> (cf. OHG Ro:ma/Ru:ma, Gothic Ru:ma, Arabic Ru:m 'Byzantium' for a similar treatment of the vowel). This <rum-> can't be a very old loan, for otherwise foreign *u: would have yielded OCS <y>, so it was probably picked up somewhere in the Balkans. The form *rimU (OCS rimU, Russian Rim, Polish Rzym, Czech R^ím, etc.) must come from the same or similar direction as Polish <krzyz*> 'cross' (virtual *kriz^I), ultimately from <crucem> via some north Romance dialect and I suppose Bavarian (Old Bavarian <kruzi>) and/or East Central German (cf. also Polish z*yd, Hungarian zsidó 'Jew' (ultimately from <iu:daeum>). There must be a detailed solution waiting to be found somewhere (I know of an article by Stieber that discusses these words, but my access to library resources is limited at the moment). I can only speculate that something like dialectal *ru:m-isk- 'Roman' became *rümisch ~ *rimisch (cf. jiddisch), was borrowed into Slavic as *rim-Isk- and yielded *rim- as a back-formation. I wish I knew more about German historical dialectology.
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From: tgpedersen@...
Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2001 1:22 PM
Subject: [tied] Rim-?

  Why Slavic Rim- etc for Rome?