Re: Inguaeonum [was Celtic Jutland]

From: Joseph S Crary
Message: 8332
Date: 2001-08-05

Ingvaeones, Istvaeones, and Herminones
These names are from a foundation myth

Tacitus wrote about a founding male deity named Mannus who had three

Ingvaeones, Istvaeones, and Herminones

Pliny adds that...

The descendants of Ingvaeones are the Cimbri, Teutoni, and Chauci

The descendants of Istvaeones are the Triboci, Nemetes, Vangiones,
Ubii, Usipi, and Tencteri

The descendants of Herminiones are the Chatti, Cherusci, Hermunduri,
and Suebi

Tacitus also wrote that there was another later tradition that
claimed after these sons
several others were born to Mannus.

These were Vandili, Gambrivii, Marsi, and Suebi

The Suebi are interesting because first they appear as Herminiones,
then later are listed as independent, among others of which all but
Gambrivii appears to be of Nordic origin. There is no doubt that the
Istvaeonic group were Celt-speakers, strong indications the
Ingvaeonic group were Celt-speakers, indications that some of the
Erminionic group were Celt-speakers and others were Nordic-German
speakers. However, using a little semantic slight of hand,
Ingvaeonic, Istvaeonic, and Erminionic has been applied, only to
languages of Nordic-German origin.

A simple question still remains. If the languages known as Germanic
are derived from a single root, how could it have developed in two
geographically discrete regions; one Scandinavia, the other Germany?
Can anyone tell me how a single language can develop as a unit in two
different regions? To me it makes more sense that the Germanic or the
Nordic language group developed in relative isolation for a given
period, then rapidly expanded to cover a far greater area.

Please any thoughts?

JS Crary