Re: Semitoid, PIE, Tyrrhenian, etc.

From: MrCaws@...
Message: 7331
Date: 2001-05-21

--- In cybalist@..., MrCaws@... wrote:
> --- In cybalist@..., "Glen Gordon" <glengordon01@...> wrote:

I've thought of a couple of other things, so I thought I'd post them.

> > >My issue with positioning Tyrrhenian in the Balkans so early is
> > >that I connect it with the Lefkandi culture, which came in from
> the east
> > >circa 2300-2200 most likely due to pressure from incoming IE
> groups. Coming
> > >from the east, it was probably Anatolian in origin.

> > So you would claim that the creators of the Minoan palaces were
> > Tyrrhenian speaking? Crete was populated by the 6th millenium by
> > people of Asia Minor. Then a new wave of people came. Giving this
> > a linguistic perspective, that would be "First Semitish, then
> > Tyrrhenian".
> >
> > Now, I'm no Cyrus Gordon, nor am I related to him in any way,
> > but I'm sticking with the idea that Linear A is a Semitoid
> > language of a certain kind while I'd say that the Phaistos Disk
> > is written in an Anatolian language. As for what language the
> > linear scripts were originally intended for, that's a real
> > caper and even _I_ don't have a solution... Although I'm
> > thinking ejective stops...

When do you think this Semitoid language arrived in Crete? Are you
talking about old neotlithic times, or a new arrival from the levant
in the third millenium BCE?
The reason I ask is that in third millenium, tholos tombs started
appearing in mass quantity on Crete. These tholos tombs are rather
reminescent of Etruscan tombs, for instance. The appearance of these
tombs roughly corresponds with the appearance of Linear A, if you
accept evidence that pushes the age back to this time period. Fine
goldwork was often found in these tombs, as it was in contemporary
early Troy.
Soome say that the Tholos tombs derive from Syrian Halaf culture. I
tihnk there are problems with this, but it might make sense if it
were brought by EBA Levantine traders.
However, my assumption is that the builders of the Tholos tombs
brought Linear A. Some say it is a distant cousin of Luwian. An
Anatolian language, but really not an IE language. I think it could
likely be Tyrrhenian. If it is, then it might have displaced
neolithic Semitsh, or some other Anatolian language, for instance.
Others say the Tholos tombs are connected with Syrian Halaf
culture. There are some problems with this argument, but it might
make sense if this was a EBA levantine naval trading community.

> I like the Semitish first idea fine. Around 3000 BC the style of
> anthrpomorphic carvings changed at some sites in the Aegean area.
> notable difference was the lack of the folded arm pose. Wasn't this
> folded arm style used heavily in Phoenician/Canaanite works?

I don't think I was very clear where I was going with this. What I
mean is that neolithic Semitish folk might have made the folded arm
figurines, and then it died out as new cultures and ideas changed
art/religious conventions.

> --Mr. Caws
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