Re: [tied] Phaethon: an IE deity.

--- In cybalist@..., markodegard@... wrote:

> João S. Lopes Filho writes:
> > I think Phaethon's Fall is an ancient theme
> > similar to Lucifer-Samael's Fall, Ikaros's
> > Fall, Babel Tower "the men wanted to reach
> > the sky", Susanoo's descent to Earth.
>
> Phaethon's fall is indeed a topic found in Western art and

literature.

> As I initimated, it's the 16 year old kid just issued his drivers
> license, who takes the family car out solo -- and wrecks it, and

gets

> himself killed (there is usually some beer involved). It's the kid,
> going solo, doing his dad's job as a proto-journeyman -- and

failing.

> This is the psychologically correct element of the myth -- a
> correctness which makes this particular 'Phaethon' the one we
> remember.
>
> Be this as it may, this is the least interesting aspect of the name

or

> myth of 'Phaethon' in IE terms, tho' he's obviously a young, frisky
> stallion just into his fulness of virility.

Another character that tried to take his dad's place was Canaanite
Helel, also associated with the morning star. He was associated with
Lucifer( I believe Helel is used in the place of Lucifer in some
versions of the bible). Helel was also said to be the son of the dawn
god.
The association with the over-ambitious son and the morning star
might have something to do with Venus being visible even after the
sun has risen, like it is trying to do the sun's job.