Re: [tied] The centum-word

On Wed, 04 Apr 2001 04:51:43 , "Glen Gordon"
<glengordon01@...> wrote:

>Miguel:
>>This makes no sense: either your *-xe was _not_ univerbated, and thus
>>didn't stop the auslaut law *-n > *-r nor made the stress shift; or >it
>>_was_ univerbated, caused the stress to shift and prevented *-n > >*-r. You
>>can't have a convenient combination of these.
>
>The collective suffix *-xe did not stop the *-n > *-r law, no. So I guess
>that means it was "non-univerbated" in your words. We might make a
>distinction then in writing between the genitive *wet:anése with its *-ése
>fully incorporated into the word and *wet:ár-xe with the ending *-xe
>attached to a bare stem. The stress shift was still retained because it was
>part of the automatic "penultimate accent" thing that you've apparently
>forgotten.

Something like a "penultimate accent" rule works on the *word* level.
So do Aulautgesetze. Either the *xe was a separate word (and did not
affect *-n > *-r, nor the accent), or it was fused (and left *-n- be
*-n-, while affecting the position of the accent). That's all there
is to it. What you want is simply not possible, no matter how many
words you spend trying to defend it.

The simple fact is that a collective form such as *wedo[:]r never had
a suffix *-h2. It's a different collective formation altogether,
using Ablaut only (pattern A with short root vowel, B with long root
vowel):

A. **dák^@mt ~ **d@...^á:mt(V) > *dék^m(h1) ~ *dk^ómt
B. **wa:d@... ~ **wadá:n(V) > *wódr ~ *wedó:r

The collective suffix *-h2 could be added secondarily later, as in
*dk^omt-h2, which is what Piotr meant when he compared it with E.
<child-r-en>.

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Miguel Carrasquer Vidal
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