Cimmerians

No not Konan, nor even Conan O'Brian

I understand you have a problem with this; however, I take the terms
Cimbri and Cimmeri to mean the Nation, Confederation, or Alliance. As
according to McBrian the Welsh term can be com-broges or -mroges
which both are very similar to the earlier Gallic/Belgaic com-brogi
and -mrogi. In early low German and Saxon-English the word is
expressed as -marka -marca, -march, -mark; which literally means a
territorial holding, as in a formal military allotment. Are you
saying that the Latin and Greek renderings of Cimmeri and Cimbri
could not have been similar to the Iron Age Gallic/Belgaic words and
these in no way can be Brythonic? I'm not proposing that the Cimmeri
and Cimbri are the same polity of even the same population, rather
that both represent culture groups where the dominant language was
Brythonic.

The Cimmerians of the Ukraine appear to have been a preScythic
manifestation somehow related to the Late Bronze Age Urnfield Culture
of eastern Europe. However, as a culture by the time of its
dispersal, it was integrated into the Early Iron Age of the Near
East. Actually, numerous Classical and Roman sources made the
connection between the Cimmeri and the Cimbri. The earliest is in
Homer's Odyssey, formalized shortly after the forced dispersal of the
Cimmerians from the Ukraine by the Scythians. It mentions the
Cimmerians and refers to them in a northern European setting instead
of their historic Ukrainian homeland.

In several English translations of Plutacrd's Parallel Roman
Lives-Marius, a relationship is outlined and the Cimmeri-Cimbri
connection is referred to as Celto-Scythian. I'm currently trying to
find a Lation copy to find out what he actually says. He claims that
they had advanced by stages from the steppes into north central
Europe. I believe his use of Scythian, instead of Cimmerian, is
because even the former term as a latter usage, was no longer current
in Pluctard's era. In fact, as widely read in the early 19th century,
Plutacrd's mention of the Cimmeri-Cimbri, as the Celto-Scythians, is
the inspiration for the more recent Indo-European language theory, as
it applies to Europe.

The dispersal of Cimmeric populations from the Ukraine was documented
by contemporary Near Eastern sources. Archaeologically, the dispersal
of the Cimmeric culture into eastern Europe has been documented. Its
referred to as the Thracian-Cimmeric complex. Interestingly, the
timing to the Cimmeric dispersal coincides nicely with the beginning
of the Temperate European Iron Age.

Additionally, along with Cimbri, Aduatuci, Aburones, and Teutones
from Denmark there were the Sugambri, Ubii, Chatti, Usipetes,
Tenchtheri in northern Germany, recorded between 120 and 50 BC, all
of which appear to have either Q- or P-Celt tribal names. Then there
are the various Belgaic tribes, again many with either Q- or P-Celt
tribal names, which crossed over the Rhine and out of northern
Germany into northeast France and Belgium around 300 BC. This
suggests that much, if not all, of northern Germany and Denmark was
occupied by Q- and/or P-Celt speakers until the Cimbric migration in
the late 2nd century BC.

Then there are the historic references by Tacitus to the close ties
between ancient Brythonic and Baltic, coupled with more recently
documented linguistic similarities, which are related yet separate
issues.

Hope this helps


Joseph