Re: [tied] Re: House and City

From: Piotr Gasiorowski
Message: 6579
Date: 2001-03-14

So do many other languages worldwide, since coronal sonorants "flock together" in phonology; [d] often participates in such alternations as well. Many languages lack the contrast between laterals and rhotics and may have a single phoneme with [r/l]-like allophones instead. But this doesn't mean that we have a licence to match any *-r- with any *-l- if it suits our pet theory, especially if we allow ourselves even more comparative latitude (*bH- = *p-) at the same time, and ignore all morphological extensions and productive suffixes (it's the root that counts, isn't it?). Sporadic manner-of-articulation variability is a fact of life, but intemperate recourse to it to explain prehistoric forms for which we have no documentary evidence is unacceptable. I am prepared to consider *per- as a Near-Eastern wanderwort (with one or two question marks), but *bHerg^H- and *polh1- have their own histories and semantic connections, and there is no ground for dumping or lumping them together (d- and l- are really the same, huh?).
 
An etymological proposal is more compelling if you are able to place the term being analysed within an attested formal paradigm. If you give priority to the cultural implications and other non-linguistic aspects of your hypothesis, neglecting the underlying phonological and morphological analysis, or if you try to explain the formal shortcomings away by arbitrary recourse to putative variation in foreign sources, you won't construct a convincing case.
 
Piotr
 
 
 
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Subject: [tied] Re: House and City


Actually, wanderwort is what I propose for this lump. Would your methodological reasons or similar apply in this case too? BTW, I remember a remark somewhere to the effect that early Mediterranean languages (Eteo-Cypriot?) show a vacillation r/n/l, which would account for the r/l part. So do some Austronesian languages.