Re: Etruscan and Anatolian

--- In cybalist@..., "Glen Gordon" <glengordon01@...> wrote:

>
> >Interesting. I like with the old chthonic god idea, though I still
> >think the name could well be IE in origin.
>
> I didn't say it wasn't. There's IE *PerkWnos afterall that does look a
> teensy bit similar. Of course, there's still some kinks to be ironed out =

> concerning the exact form of the reconstruction because later association=

s

> and wordplays have obscured the original name of the deity. *PerkWnos is =

> what JP Mallory offers. I've argued for an earlier form like *Pexwr-Genno=

s

> meaning "Fire-Maker" because being a storm god, he throws lightning bolts=

> causing fire and it would have connections with Asian mythology. The name=

> would be later corrupted by old associations with the oak tree, being lat=

er

> called *PerkWnos, possibly meaning "Of the Oak".
>
> Now, the name *Pexwr-Gennos could have been adopted by Tyrrhenians in the=

> Balkans, pronouncing it something like *Pexelkan or just *Pexel whose cul=

t

> would spread out into the Eastern Mediterranean soon after (Semitic *Ba`l=

u

> => Baal). The Tyrrhenian name would be handed down, slightly contorted, t=

o

> the Etruscans as /Velchans/ where *p rather unexpectedly becomes /v/ by s=

ome

> later religious wordplay that I haven't pinned down yet. Basically, the
> following scenario, similar to what I propose now for "Hathor":
>
> IE *PexwrGennos => Tyr *Pexel(kan) => Sem *Ba`lu
> (Etruscan Velchans)
>
>
> IE *Xster => Tyr *Hattor => Sem *`ATtaritu, Egy Hathor
> (Etruscan Turan)
>
> >I have heard that this deity is known for stealing cattle, not unlike >t=

he

> >old story with Hermes.
>
> Actually, as far as I've drawn everything out, it was a dangerous serpent=

> called Three Heads that stole the cattle from First Man, the mortal hero,=

> not the storm god Fire Maker. Three Heads was to serve as First Man's sec=

ond

> labour to make up for killing his brother Twin. Lucky for Twin however, t=

he

> tears of the mother Sun Maiden would rejuvenate his lifeless body,
> transforming it into the earth, complete with vegetation. This would ther=

eby

> make Twin (*Yemos) an earth deity as well as guarding the realm of the de=

ad

> (note: Kurgan culture and the religious significance with burial).
>
> As I say, the serpent was First Man's second strife, created by Cow Mothe=

r,

> the goddess of justice (Hera, Juno), wife of Sky Father (Jupiter, Tiw). S=

he

> would create three such labours to torture First Man before he would be
> forgiven by the divine community. Cow Mother and Sky Father are sky gods =

> associated with the priest caste but also with justic and law, respective=

ly.

> It is a god of the warrior caste, Fire Maker (the others being Venus and =

> Grandson of the Deeps) that _helps_ the hero slay the serpent, probably
> reluctantly and only after First Man had served the storm god through
> worship.
>
> So, this whole hero-slaying-dragon story was created:
>
> 1. to explain the origin of the rivers of the earth, which are
> like serpents winding through the land.
>
> 2. to explain action and consequence, law and justice, through
> the story of First Man atoning for his fratricide by
> enduring strife (cf. Heracles & the Labours, Pandora's Box).
>
> 3. to establish the necessity of worship to gain the favour of
> the gods when times are tough.
>
>
> >How about Vel Turms for Voltumna? Just a guess. As long as I
> >am guessing, if Velchans is of a similar nature, tehn how about
> >Sethlans=Set(h). This is another chthonic deity, maybe more familiar
> >to the Aegean type folk via Crete/Egypt?
>
> It would be hard to explain the -lans part of the Etruscan name and plus,=

> Sethlans is a fire deity, not a storm deity.
>
> >I think you are right about the quadrant as an original divider.
> >Usually I hear of a trinity of head honcho Etruscan divinities:Uni,
> >Tinia, and Menrva. I am not sure where the quadrant thing plays in,
> >but I am thinking it is closely related to astronomy taken via Near
> >East.
>
> Yes, yes. I promised a post that would give my explanation on all that. A=

s

> soon as I get through all my messages (aaaaargghhhh) :) For now, I'll jus=

t

> say that an original Tyrrhenian quadrant plan would derive from the tanis=

t

> scheme, not the trinity scheme. More later.
>
> - gLeN

McCallisters Etruscan Glossary:

/see pre-Hellenistic Cretan Gelxános Welxános, Wélxanos "Zeus"/

Seems like the etruscans could be a joint venture of several peoples -
sea peoples?

Morten

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