--- In cybalist@..., "Sergejus Tarasovas" <S.Tarasovas@...> wrote:
> --- In cybalist@..., tgpedersen@... wrote:
> > Chuvash <tan> "naled', voda na l'du"
> >
> > of which what I know of Russian makes me think that the latter
> > means "water on ice", whereas the former doesn't occur in my
Russian-
> > Danish dictionary (but seems to be something on ice too). Chuvash
> > seems to have shifted /d/ -> /t/ at some time (judging from some
loan
> > words, also the d- initial words seem to be disproportionately of
> > Russian origin (dama, dacha, dvigatel')).
> >
>
> Russ. naled' means 1. ice crust 2. water above ice.
> Russ. voda na l'du = naled' 2,
> so the Chuvash word seemes to mean 'water above ice'.
>
> I don't have sufficient Turkic background to comment Chuv. <tan>
and it's etymology, but I should warn you: what Valentyn writes about
Scyths and Turki (especially the statement Scyths were of Turkic, not
East Iranian origin) conflicts not with the majority opinion, but
with the general opinion altogether.
>
> Sergei
All I need of Valentyn's ideas is for some Turkic speakers (esp.
Chuvash, since AFAIK Chuvash and Hunnic are related?) to be around
ProtoGermanic speakers (in Piotr's suggested Tanew basin?) sometime
between the origin of ProtoGermanic and the eviction of the *d/t-n-
people by the Huns. Nothing more specific than that.
Looking for something else in cybalist, in
http://www.dalmatia.net/croatia/history/arachosia/index.htm
I found (and I quote):
"
Another Version of the Origin of the Croatian name (March 15, 1999)
The origins
The origins of the Croatian name are Iranian. The earliest mention of
the Croatian name as Horovathos can be traced on two stone
inscriptions in Greek language, dating from the second century, found
by the Black Sea (more precisely in the seaport Tanais on the Azov
sea, Krim). Both tablets are held in the Archeological museum in St
Petersburg (No 430 and 445). These were official inscriptions of the
Sarmatian Kingdom from around the year 200, on public houses in
Tanais, which at that time was the capital of this Irano - Croatian
state. The first tablet is from the Tanais townhall, and reads as
follows:
SANDARSIOS HOROATHOS ARCHON TANAITON
which means the Croat Sandarsio, Mayor of Tanais.
"
(end of quote)
which inscription, if my failing Greek doesn't fail me, contains a
GenPl (not Sg., as the the Croat will have us believe), so that
Sandarsios is not archont of Tanais, but of some Tanait-'s (and if
this inscription is their only claim for the name of the port to be
Tanais...). So now we have a tan- people on the Don, precisely where
Snorri wanted Asgard to be. Hm.
Torsten