Re: Scythians & Chuvashes

--- In cybalist@..., valentyn@... wrote:

> Valentyn Stetsiuk
>
> More about Scythians & Chuvashes
>
> How it is showed in my book "Research into Prehistorc

Ethnogenetic

> Processes in East Europe" (see:

http://brama.com/education/stetsiuketh

> noabs.html ), an original Turk's fatherland was near the lake Sevan

in

> present Armenia. They wandered from there to East Europe in 5 mill

B.C.

> after Indo-European and Finn-Ugrian did it. They settled here

between

> Don and Dniepr river. Separate Turk languages began to form at this
> area. The most of Turks wandered to Central Asia to find more area

for

> their horse and cattle herds in 3 mill B.C. But a purt of Turks

stayed

> in East Europe. The ancestors of present Chuvashes, original

Bulgars,

> crossed Dniepr river and settled an area near to original Italics,

wich

> were settled in area between Teterev and Sluch river accordingly to
> results of my previous researches. Some Latin-Chuvash lexical

parallel

> confirm this: L (Latin) amikus "friend" - Ch (Chuvashian)

ami "friend",

> L cito "swift" - Ch khyta "swift", L cocles "crooked" - Ch kuklek
> "crooked", L farnus "ash" - Ch verene "ash" (more examples are

given in

> the book).
> In this time famous Tripolye culture existed in Dniestr river basin

and

> in nearest areas. Its bearers came here from Balkan Peninsula.

Bulgars

> were with them in concact too. Some Hebraic-Chuvashian lexical
> accordances let us to suppose, that Tripolye culture bearers were of
> Semitic origin (Hebr. khail "force" - Ch khal "force", Hebr. takham
> "taste" - Ch tekhem "taste", Hebr. satar "destroy" - Ch

satar "damage"

> and others). On the other hand some Turkish common words can be of
> Semitik origin too (alma "apple", ögüz "cattle" a.o.). Semitic

tribes

> could come in East Europe from Asia Minor.
> Later Bulgars were in contact with original Germanics, which were
> settled in Pripiat river basin in end of 2 mill B.C. Many lexical
> Germanic-Chuvashian parallels confirm the contact between orinal
> Bulgars and Germans. Some examples are such: G. (German) Wermut
> "wormood" - Ch armuti "wormwood", G Volk "folk" - Ch pulkka "herd",

G

> Herde "herd" - Ch kert "herd", G Wake "ice hole" - Ch vak "ice hole"
> and many other.
> Ukrainian archaeologists have found many relics of early

Scythian

> culture in West Ukraine, but such relics were not found in East
> Ukraine. This fact let us to suppose, that Scythian culture was of
> native origin and it has not been brought from Central Asia to the
> North Coast of Black and Azov Sea, how many of scholars think.

Going on

> farther, one can suppose, that Scythians were the same Bulgars,

since

> no other people lived in this area at that time. To check this
> supposition, Scythian onomasticon has been compared with modern
> Chuvashian words. Scythian onomasticon (the list of Scythian proper
> names) is known from work of an Ukrainian scholar V.P. Petrov

(Petrov

> V.P. 1968, Skify. Kiev. - in Ukrainian, p. 118 -143). Nearly 200
> proper names were included by Petrov to the onomastikon from
> different, mostly Greek sources. It was difficult to divide Scythian
> and Thracian names, therefore there can be some Thracian words in

the

> onomasticon too. Sens of names is unknown and many scholars tried to
> explain the words. Almost all scholars tried to explain Scythian

names

> on the basis of Iranian languages, but mostly only on old Persian

or

> Ossetian ones. Therefore they consider, that Ossetian language is
> continuation of Scythian one. To chek Iranian origin of Scythian
> languge, Scythian onomastikon has be compared not only with

Chuvashian

> language, but with other modern Iranian languages. As result of

this

> comparative analysis was a conclusion, that Scythian words have

mostly

> parallels in Chuvashian language (130 from 199). Out of Iranian
> languages Kurdish one has much more parallels in Scythian, than
> Ossetian has. The exsamoles of explanation of Scythian's word on the
> basis of Ossetian language are unnumerous and great part of them are
> accidental, unsystematic and unconvincing. Best of them are given

in my

> article (see ) beside parallel from other Iranian and Chuvashian
> languages, wich are much numerous and have mostly sens, that is more
> fit to proper names. For example: V. Abaev gave for explanation

Scyth.

> Ababos Osset. wafun "to weav", wich is phoneticly too far. Kurdish
> ebaboz "thief" fits much better for a proper name. To Scyth.

Adziagos

> Osset. az "year" is not enough, Ch acha "child" and akash "swan"
> ("Child of swan") is much better too. To Scyth. Skartanos fits

better

> Ch s'arttan "pike" (fish), than Osset. skäryn "to drive", for having
> many Scythian proper names, which can be explained as Chuvashian

animal

> names (pike, trout, falcon, lynx, polecat, calf, bull etc) . Who

knows

> Chuvashian language can check the onomasticon in ( )
> himself.
> Our supposition about Chuvashes as Scythian descendants can be
> confirmed by explanation of Scythian mythology on the basis of
> Chuvashian language. Herodotos reported us a Scythian legend,

according

> it the first man in Scythia was Targitaios, the son of god Zeus and
> goddes of Borysthen river. Targitaios had three sons - Lipoksaios,
> Arpaksaios and Kolaksaios. The name Targitaios in conformity with

law

> of Chuvashian historical phonetics can be explained as "Wedding of
> Gods" (Ch. tura "god" and tuy "wedding"). The name Arpaksaios can be
> explained as "treat of barley" (Ch urpa "barleu" and say "treat"),

what

> is suited to wedding good. Then name Kolaksaios can be considered as
> "treat of bird" (Ch kayak "bird"). The name Lipoksaios is

impossible to

> explain, but it can be spoiled by Herodotos and the original form

was

> Poliksaios, that can be explained as "treat of fish" (Ch

pulak "fish").

> Goddes Tabiti was the most respected at Scythians. Herodotos

said,

> that she was corresponded to Greek virginal goddes Gestia. The name
> Tabiti can be explained as "Promisor of Celibasy" (Ch tupa "oath"

and

> te "to say"). Scythian gods Papay and Api were correspondented by
> Herodotos to main Greek gods Zeus and Gea. Their names can be
> understanded as "Grandfather" and "Grandmother" (Ch papay
> "grandfather" and epi "midwife"). The name of Scythian god Oytosir

can

> be explained as "Disaster-calling" (Ch ayta "call" and shar
> "disaster"). The Scythian goddes of fruitivity had name Argimpasa,

that

> can be composed out two word, which have such Chuvashian

accordances:

> aram "woman" and pusa "field". The last known us Scythian god had

name

> Tagimasad. He was corresponded by Herodotos with Greek god

Poseidon. In

> his time Poseidon had destroyed Odyseus' ship, thefore the name
> Tagimasad can be explained as "Ship-destroyer" (Ch takana "wash-

tub",

> possibly, earlier "boat" and shat "to punch").
> Some Scythian toponimy can be explained with help of

Chuvashian

> lexicon. For example, locality Eksampay can mean "rich on wild

garlic"

> (Ch uksam "wild garlic" and puy "to be rich"). Pantikap river can be
> explained as "mouldy" (Ch pantakh "mould" and kap "appearance").

Some

> researcher identify Pantikap with modern Molchnaya (milky) river.

Old

> and modern names of river can have the same exlpanation, if water

of

> this river has whitish colour. The name of Gipakiris river can be
> composed out of two words as Ch kipek "coll" and iresh "siftings,

bran".

> All these facts give us enough grouns to believe, that modern
> Chuvashes are descendants of old Scythians. Kurdish-Scythian

parallels,

> which were found in lexicon, let us suppose, that some Iranian

tribe,

> related to modern Kurds, resided in neighbourhood to Scytians.

Which intrigued me, so I looked up

Chuvash <tan> "naled', voda na l'du"

of which what I know of Russian makes me think that the latter
means "water on ice", whereas the former doesn't occur in my Russian-
Danish dictionary (but seems to be something on ice too). Chuvash
seems to have shifted /d/ -> /t/ at some time (judging from some loan
words, also the d- initial words seem to be disproportionately of
Russian origin (dama, dacha, dvigatel')).

Torsten