Re: Language - Area - Routes

--- In cybalist@..., tgpedersen@... wrote:

>
> Some more stuff:
>
> H.E.Davidsons commentaries to her translation of Saxo:
>
> 1.1
> The phrase "á stodhum Danpar", by the shores of the Dniepr, is

found

> in the Icelandic poem The Battle of the Goths and the Huns,8 and

the

> name also appears in Atlakvidha 5. There is a king Danpr in the
> Icelandic genealogies. The latin abstract of the lost Skjoldunga
> saga, composed around 1200, refers to a king Dan I, with a son

Danpr

> and a daughter Dana, who married Rigr and had a son who was Dan II.
> Chronicon Lethrense: Dan saved the Danes from an attack by (an?)
> emperor Augustus, and the Jutes then chose him for a king, together
> with the men of Fyn and Scania, so that the country of Denmark took
> his name.

There were always people looking for some old glory for their people
as you do now, including historians. There exists some chronicles
written in Poland by a famous monk about the same time (a bit later
actually) in which he talks about Polish princes fighting
Alexander the Great armies, Rome and so on... The stories you cite
must fall into the same category...

> Jordanes uses the old name Danaper for Dniepr.
> Dudo in his history of the Normans believes Danes are descended

from

> Danai. Saxo disputes this.
> Saxo book 6: (about Starcedius)
> "Afterwards at Byzantium, relying on his stamina, he wrestled with
> and overthrew a supposedly invincible giant, Tanna, and compelled

him

> to seek unknown lands {ignotas terrarum partes petere coegit} by
> branding him an outlaw. As no cruelty of fate had hitherto managed

to

> cheat this mighty man of his conquests, he invaded Polish territory
> and there fought in a duel and defeated a champion called by our
> people Vaske, a name familiar to the Teutons un der the different
> spelling of Wilcze."
> HED commentary:
> The name Tanni here is probably formed from Tanais,...
>
> TP: An invasion of Poland! Piotr won't like this.

It is difficult to talk about Poland before 2nd part of 10th century,
and as it talks about ealier time, it wasn't really Poland invaded...
So Piotr won't care...

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/Jerzy