Re: [tied] Day and dies, deus and theos

There's also attempts to relate *dagaz with Sanskrit aham "day", from *agh-,
with a d- through influence of another word (maybe the same dhegwh- roots)

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From: Miguel Carrasquer Vidal <mcv@...>
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Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2001 12:31 PM
Subject: Re: [tied] Day and dies, deus and theos


> On Sun, 28 Jan 2001 01:12:14 +0100, "Piotr Gasiorowski"
> <gpiotr@...> wrote:
>
> > There are some problems here: the "burn" root is really *dHegWH- (cf.
Greek tephra 'ashes' < *dHegWH-ro-), and *dHogWHos (with its o-grade) should
have given PGmc *dagwaz rather than *dagaz;
>
> I don't know what *dhoghwos should have given in Germanic. PIE */ghw/
> can give Proto-Germanic *g, *w, *gw and *b, semingly arbitrarily (i.e.
> the rules haven't been figured out yet).
>
> >secondly, the semantic connection between "day" and "burn, heat" (also
"ashes, tar") is a bit strained.
>
> But not impossible. Basque <erre> "to burn" gives dial. <erre-aro>
> lit. "burn-season", i.e. "summer", now "June" (and the shift "summer"
> > "year" is trivial. e.g. Slav. <le^to>). (The Basque word for "day"
> <egun>, <egur-> is connected to the word for "sun" <egu-zki>,
> <ek(h)i>).
>
> >Many linguists prefer to link Germanic *dagas to Old Indic ahar (Gen.
ahnas) 'day' < h2ag^H-r, *h2ag^H(e)n-. The initial *d in Germanic has been
explained as "stolen" from a preceding demonstrative pronoun (*tod h2ag^Hr
'that day' > *..d-h2ag^Hr > *dHagHr > Germanic *dag-).
>
> Another theory (the one mentioned by Pokorny) is that it acquired d-
> from *dhoghwos.
>
> >I wonder, however, if a connection with *dHwes- 'breathe; breath; ghost,
spirit' could not be defended. If so, theos would be derived from *dHwes-o-s
and related to English deer and Germman Tier < *dHeus-o-m 'breathing, i.e.
living thing; animal' and dizzy *dHus-ik-ó- 'breathing hard'. But it's a
private idea on which I don't insist.
>
> Yes, *dhwh1sós could have given Greek <theos> and also Arm. <dik`>.
>
> Håkan Lindgren:
> >>'Deus', old Latin 'deivos', comes from PIE '*deiuos', which is said to
be an ablaut of the verb '*deieu(o)-', "shine".
>
> The verbal root "to shine" seems to be *dey-. With a *w-extension
> that gives *dy-éw-, *di-w- "heaven". I've seen *déyw-os "heavenly"
> explained as vrddhi formation from *dyew-. On the surfae, it looks as
> if the *e had been re-inserted "in the wrong place".
>
> >It is a part of the names Iuppiter and Diana, and in Greek it appears,
not as 'theós', but as Zeus. But just to make matters a little more
complicated, there were Greek dialects where Zeus was called Deus (boiotian
and "lak." = lakedaimonian?). And we've got the 'dios-kouroi', the twin
brothers Castor and Pollux.
>
> Dios (*diw-ós) is the genitive of Zeus (*dyé:w-s).
>
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> Miguel Carrasquer Vidal
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