Re: Doublets in PIE

From: Torsten Pedersen
Message: 5772
Date: 2001-01-25

--- In cybalist@egroups.com, "Piotr Gasiorowski" <gpiotr@...> wrote:
> OK, why don't we look under the carpet and examine a few of
these "doublets"? Perhaps we could find an explanation for their
occurrence in PIE or at least speculate about it. I could imagine a
few reasons why such root constellations exist.

[snip - not unexpectedly]
> Third possibility: borrowing into PIE from related but different
non-IE sources at an early date. An attractive solution at times, but
always hard to justify unless the source(s) can be identified with
some confidence.
>
[snip - not unexpectedly]


Explanation (confession?) (with much self-confidence)

This is how my fixation with this Austric-IE-AA stuff came about.

I found Møller in the library. I read him with a grain of salt,
like a proper linguist should, everybody knows he's been disproved.
There I find his claim that the one of the two IE-AA (yes I know,
unhistorical, but this is shorthand) roots (now written as) *bheH2-
is a causative formed from the other. So I think, well OK, if you say
so.

Next I read Benveniste about *fas- and think this must be a society
with strong taboos.

Then I read Oppenheimer's "Eden in the East" and am convinced: People
from Sundaland probably reached the Mediterranean and influenced the
peoples there.

Then I find Manansala's list on the internet and he has both
*bheH2-'s! This is screwy! Did he read Møller? Probably not, his
concern is to prove a connection Austric-Indic.

And then suddenly, if you assume a society with two sides, this side
and the beyond, the affair with one *bheH2- being the causative of
the other, makes sense:

*bheH2- "resplendent, luminous,
ie. coming from the beyond"

*bheH2- "holy law, say holy speech,
ie. cause to come from the beyond"

(I didn't say "numinous", because then people think I have read
Jung and nice people don't do that. Actually I have, but could you
disregard that for a moment?)

And most of Benveniste's stuff is there too! *Hrg- "king, order",
*Hng- "fear, snake, destruction", *med- "center, order, medicine,
spear, tree in the middle of the world". These things are central
in Austronesian cultures too.

So, if they came here (?), and brought a religion (?), based on an
original giant disaster (?), which the religion was designed to set
right (?), did they bring the words too?

Please note I'm not claiming, I'm still just asking! Don't jump me
too much!

On the other I'm not a professional, I have no reputation to lose,
and someone's gotta ask the question. Now I've asked it.


Torsten