From: João Simões Lopes Filho
Message: 5433
Date: 2001-01-12
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From: Glen Gordon <glengordon01@...>
To: <cybalist@egroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2001 11:49 PM
Subject: Re: [tied] Celtic *p > zero // IndoTyr *p > Tyr *f ??
>
> Joao:
> >Velchns = Vulcanus ? <*Welk- "to flame, to burn, to shine" cf. Sans.
> >varcas-, Ossetic Kurdalaegon (<Kurd-arya-vargon), ON Völundr
> >
> >I think all Etruscan theonyms with s-endings are of Italic origin.
> >Cf. Fufluns < *Populo:nos
> >Velchans < *Velcanos
> >Selvans < *Selvanos
> >Sethlans < *Se:tlanos?
>
> Hmm. What is *Se:tlanos supposed to mean? As far as I know, there is no IE
> god name reconstructable that accounts for Vulcanus. We might derive it
from
> IE *welk- but what of the rest of the name? Are you suggesting *Welknos
> meaning "burned"?? Why burned? How do we COMPLETELY analyze this name in
IE
> terms so that it makes sense mythologically?
>
> Etruscan itself had a nominative marked in /-s/ or /-s'/ anyways that
seems
> to be a built-in Tyrrhenian feature. It was used here and there, mostly
but
> not exclusively for deities. Now, how does one derive /Tins/, the sky god,
> from Italic? The IE god is *Dye:us through and through and yet we have the
> -s ending here.
>
> Plus, what if Etruscan, being a sister language to IndoEuropean (or is
that
> a "niece" language?), had inherited an equivalent word *welka "to burn",
> based on the IE-Tyrrhenian sound correspondances that I'm aware of? The
> association between a borrowed IE name *Perkanas > *Ferkanas (*PerkWnos)
and
> *welka would be overwhelmingly beautiful and poetic. If so, we might
analyze
> the eventual name in Etruscan terms *Velkanes "Firer" (a controler of
fire)
> rather than "Burned" (controlled by his own element!). The *-(e)ne ending
is
> seen in the ethonym /Rasna/ and so on.
>
> At any rate, even if we could say that deities like /Tins/ are Italic in
> origin because of their -s nominative, how 'bout the moon /Tiur/ which
> appears to be of the same root that correlates with IE *dei- "to shine",
and
> yet there are still no Italic or even general IE counterparts that I'm
aware
> of to explain these names as anything other than native in origin.
>
> And you do have to admit that /Velchns/ and *PerkWnos occupy similar
> mythological positions. There's got to be some sort of connection between
> the two.
>
> - gLeN
>
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