Re: etruscan, Lydian and Greek inscriptions

--- In cybalist@egroups.com, "Piotr Gasiorowski" <gpiotr@...> wrote:

> Your choice. Pity. Competent linguists have no monopoly of

knowledge, but they have a good research methodology, worked out over
a period of 200 years. You should learn a lot before you start
turning
things by 180 degrees, just as you'd have to study physics for years
before attempting a revolutionary revision of General Relativity. I
did have a look at your decipherment methods. They ignore all the
rules of conduct which are obligatory in serious linguistics. It
would
be a waste of time to explain why, since most of the people on this
list, even those without much linguistic training, can see it at a
glance.

>
> Piotr

The result of my approach produced verifiable result, which is 180
degrees out of phase with the accepted linguistic methodology. I am
not professional linguist and never claimed to be one. I am just
enthusiast interested in the enigma in decipherment.
In the past 200 years great progress has been made in linguistic
field. Many problems have been resolved but not all. I do believe that
any problem can be solved if correct approach is taken.
Yes, this is my heresy by using unorthodox approach which I posted in
my
home page. There are many thousands different Etruscan inscriptions
one can read and understand by using my approach. The same is true for
Lydian and Greek inscriptions.
Yes, I did commit linguistic heresy. But I am not guilty of violating
the obligatory rules of serious linguist. However I am guilty of
reviewing obligatory methods and decided to use not yet tried
approach, hence committed serious linguistic heresy.
However, deep in my hart I do feel guilty but not because I took
linguistically wrong approach.

John

>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: oko@...
> To: cybalist@egroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2001 3:34 AM
> Subject: [tied] Re: etruscan, Lydian and Greek inscriptions
>
>
> --- In cybalist@egroups.com, "Piotr Gasiorowski" <gpiotr@...>

wrote:

> > John,
> >
> > There is really no need to "decipher" Etruscan or Lydian, let

alone

> any Greek texts. They have already been deciphered by competent
> scholars. Etruscan and Lydian are difficult to interpret because the
> surviving documents are short and contain a restricted register of
> words, but otherwise there's nothing mysterious about these

languages.

> Take this advice from a brother Slav: if you continue like this

you'll

> make yourself the laughing-stock of this list.
> >
> > Happy New Year,
> >
> > Piotr
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: oko@...
> > To: cybalist@egroups.com
>
> Thank you for your advice. But it is not easy for me to follow your
> advice. Let me explain why. In my home page I posted my version how

to

> read and understand Etruscan, Lydian and Greek inscriptions. For

many

> years I hesitated what to do with it. I know that I am 180 deg out

of

> phase with the established knowledge among the Linguists. Because I
> am lost with all the knowledge published by Linguists and can not

get

> explanation why I got such result. To solicit the answer I posted

what

> I have for honest evaluation.
> This was not easy task for me, because I knew that the evaluation
> would be done by one of two methods.
> Political - by simple statement. "I am right and you are wrong"
> without any
> explanation.
> By established linguistic method. Competent Linguist who has patent

on

> whole linguistic knowledge has done it.
>
> While the above evaluation from the present day knowledge is valid

it

> does not explain to me where and why I made mistake. I thought that
> the forum exist for every one to make honest comments and explain

why

> one agrees or disagrees. Such a method will not stop progress in
> linguistic field but increase the knowledge of each one whether he
> agrees or disagrees. With such a thought in mind I posted my version
> for comments.
> When I deciphered Etruscan I began to evaluate obtained result by
> asking myself many questions. I could not get satisfying answer
> because, to be 180 deg out of phase with the accepted linguistic
> knowledge, this must be coincidence. But again, how it could be with
> so many Etruscan inscriptions that I red. I again reviewed my
> decipherment but the result did not change. Studying the existing
> knowledge I decided to investigate Lydian inscriptions. Herodotus
> wrote that the Etruscans come from Lydia. If so than the Etruscan
> should speak the same language.
> With the help of Etruscan alphabet I was able to read name in
> bilingual grave inscription and soon after all the Lydian

inscriptions

> that I had. But the thought of coincidence was still there. To prove
> to myself that this is coincidence I decided to decipher Greek
> inscriptions with respect to Etruscan and Lydian alphabets. But

again

> the same coincidence was there.
> In my home page I posted Greek inscriptions and included alphabet

for

> every one who won't's to check my results. In Lydian posting I did

not

> give alphabet but it can be easily produce by stripping vowels from
> Ukrainian writing. By doing that one will have one to one relation

of

> Ukrainian letter to Lydian cipher. The same is true for Greek and
> Etruscan.
> My home page is http://home.att.net/~oko/home.htm
> I do believe that I am in right place to receive honest comments.
> Thank you.
> John
>
> > Sent: Sunday, December 31, 2000 4:37 AM
> > Subject: [tied] Re: etruscan, Lydian and Greek inscriptions
> >
> >
> >
> > I deciphered Etruscan writing and can read and understand.
> > I also deciphered Lydian and Greek inscription with respect
> > to Etruscan alphabet and language.
> > Please visit http://home.att.net/~oko/home.htm
> > where I posted about stated information
> >
> > John
>
>
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