Piotr:
>Let me offer you some more food for thought. An alternative term for >"mate
>with, cover (perhaps especially of animals)" seems to have been >*h1org^he-
>(an o-grade present of the type for which something like >3sg. *h1org^h-ei,
>pl. *h1rg^h-�nti, mediopass. h1rg^h-�r is >reconstructed in the recent
>literature.
You mean 3sg. *h1org^h-eti with a *-t-, right? That word was in the back of
my mind. Tak f�r maten.
>The corresponding noun is *h1org^h-i-s 'testicle, scrotum, male >genitals'.
Right, this was mentioned before. I was going on English itself to make a
connection between "pudenda" and "to fuck". The word "dick" has similar
qualities, used mostly as a noun but also sometimes as a verb in the same
way.
>*pes-es- is the number one term for "penis",
Yes, actually I came across this one alright. Its female counterpart never
pops up in literature but if it's as regional as you say, I suppose this may
be the real reason for the silence and not because of Victorianism. Well,
who cares, I still think people need to open up a little anyways :P
>The variants *kut-, *put- and *kup- (with >extensions, e.g. >*kut-so-s,
>*kut-(s)no-s or *kup-no-s, *put-o-s, >*kup-o-s) are all >attested and it's
>quite impossible to tell which is the "original" >root.
It might be of at least casual interest to know about reconstructed
Nostratic words pertaining to this. Bomhard has *q?alY- with Kartvelian
*q?le- "penis" and Sumerian /gal, galla/ "vulva" to back it up. Dogolpolsky
reconstructs a similar root *k�lu/� "a woman of the other exogamous moiety".
Bomhard's other term *k?al- "to suckle", aside from a supposed AfroAsiatic
term with the same meaning, has little to do with a verb and more to do with
a certain kinship term.
I think what the real state of affairs was that Nostratic *k?al was the word
for "sexual organs", which was later given the meaning of "vagina/vulva",
then "woman". The word was later used in a compound to denote "brother's
wife" where both elements appear to be attested seperately as well, but this
compound word only exists in Eurasiatic languages:
Eurasiatic *k?al-axwi
Steppe *k:alaxwi
IndoTyrrhenian *k:�laxwe-se
Mid IE *k:al�xwe-se
> *k:l�xu-s
> *glo:us
Uralic *k�l�w�
Altaic *k�li-n
Doesn't explain what the p- or v-word was in Early IE though. I'll think
about what I can come up with for the origins of *kup-, *kut- and *put-. No
hurt in trying.
>I've never heard of *gWi:bHos, but I'll have a look at it. If >genuine, it
>might be interesting. But Germanic *wi:ban can't derive >from anything with
>initial *gW- (which would have ended up as *kw-).
That's because it doesn't exist <:( I should have wrote *ghwi:bhos (or
*ghui:bhos). My error. It's an initial consonant cluster with phonemic *w/u,
not a labiovelar. The term is listed at:
http://www.bartleby.com/61/IEroots.html
So: **ghui�:bh- > (?) *xWi�bh-
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