Re: [tied] PIE constellations -- ex oriente lux

From: Piotr Gasiorowski
Message: 4981
Date: 2000-12-08

The traditional constellation and star names are no doubt loans and calques from Middle-Eastern languages. On the other hand, I find it hard to imagine that conspicuous configurations of stars like the Plough, Orion, Cassiopeia or the Pleiades, bright stars like Syrius and spectacular objects like Venus (as the evening/morning star) or the Milky Way should have been quite nameless in PIE. (The question is only if any of those early terms survive anywhere -- I don't think they do.)
 
Nor can I believe that a "star" word had to be borrowed, though the replacement of an original native term by a learned Middle-Easternism is a possibility. Tantalising as this possibility is, one could object that:
 
(a) It's hard to tell how old the association of `Athtar with Venus really is.
 
(b) The Semitic name refers to Venus only, not to any other individual star or to stars in general.
 
(c) IE *xster- (*h2ster-) does not refer specifically to Venus; the latter is often called "Morning/Evening" (Us.ana-, Hesperos, etc.), but not "the Star".
 
(d) There is a possible native etymology for *xster-, the root *xah- 'burn' (Palaic ha:- 'burn', Avestan a:tar- 'fire'), usually with an -s extension, as in the noun *xahs/*xaho:s 'ashes' (English "ash" is closely related, by the way), Latin a:ra 'altar' (< *xahs-ax-), a:ridus 'parched, dry', ardeo (< *xahs-dHh-). If *xster- is a realisation of *xhs-tér-, then stars are "embers" in the sky.
 
Piotr
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Glen Gordon
To: cybalist@egroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2000 10:15 PM
Subject: Re: [tied] PIE constellations

Afterall, a word exists for "star", *xster- (*H2ster-). Interestingly, some linguists like to tease their reader with aggravatingly vague mentions of similarities in vocabulary between IE and Semitic. Many have noted the similarity between IE *xster- "star" and Semitic *`aTtar- "Venus".

This gets people like me to concluding that if there is anything to say about IndoEuropean knowledge of stars and constellations, it probably was all adopted ultimately from the Middle East at a very early date, during the spread of agriculture into Europe along with the other connectable terms that will never go away, like *woinos (Semitic *wayn-) and *septm (Semitic *seb`itum).