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It could be. A comparable case would be the addition of *-ah2 to decad names in *-kont. There's plenty of evidence that (e)s-neuters had an original stress-shifting paradigm, and if so, something like g^(e)nh1-ó:s would make perfect sense as a "vrddhi-collective".

Note that vrddhi is found in compounds like *h1su-g^enh1e:s 'nobly born' (m./f., as in Greek). This may have someting to do with the secondary function of "vrddhi-collectives" -- they could be used as animate (e.g. personified) counterparts of inanimates. I suspect *dHgHo:m (f.) in the sense 'Mother Earth' is an instance of this; possibly also *sah2wl ~ *sh2wo:l 'sun, (n. ~ m.)'. The same process (collective/augmentative -> animate) may have contributed to the origin of feminines in *-ah2-.

Piotr

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On Sun, 26 Nov 2000 18:00:22 +0100, "Piotr Gasiorowski" <gpiotr@...> wrote: >>> Why is there no lengthening in vocatives like *ph2ter or *k^won? > >> The last question is easy: the vocative had no *-s ending > >But -r and -n themselves are voiced, aren't they? Yes, but they are not directly preceded by a consonant. I'd like to take back the unqualified "voiced": *-m causes no lengthening in *-VCm. To come back to the "vrddhi-collective": what about the n.pl. of the Skt. (a)s-stems, <-a:m.si>? If we remove the intrusive nasalization, we have *-a:si, with -i < *-@2 and *-a:- most likely from *o: (*o is another possibility, depending on the details and relative timing of Brugmann's law and laryngeal vocalization), in any case not comparabale to the *-es-h2 we find elsewhere (OCS -esa, Lat. -era, etc.). My guess would be a "vrddhi collective" *[g^enh1]-o:s, secondarily regularized by extension with *-(n)i < *-(n)h2 in Sanksrit. Cf. Avestan -a:h (also in the n-stems: n.pl. *-ma:n (> -ma:m)). ======================= Miguel Carrasquer Vidal mcv@...